ETA on Advanced Class change?

I understand your point and concede it is possible...there have been examples of this. But I would counter that there have been just as many examples of players no longer making requests when a feature reaches an acceptable level, like quickbars, sprint and speeders for subs, etc.

Fair enough. I would only point out that in my case, that suggestion was pointed toward the idea that a person may wish to reroll in the future, perhaps on another server, and if they made the mistake of choosing the wrong AC and wanted to switch to the alternate AC that they knew and loved they could do so, perhaps once for that particular character. By leveling a character to 50 they have demonstrated with a reasonable likelihood, IMO, that they know how to play the class....a contention against AC change some have mentioned.

I agree this is a very important quote from Reed....

Anything is subject to change...including things that they have said they are adding, will add or are planning to add.

So even saying that it will likely happen eventually is no guarantee we will see it. I do not, however, think that it was a soft "no" as others have said. I think it was more likely an opinion.

Yes.. You lied.. You said I edited a post and I didn't.. You have been insulting toward me and others.. You have been less than civil to those that are against AC swapping.. And your post history is evidence to that..

I will and have admitted when I am wrong.. I did it in this very thread.. Have you?? Not that I have seen..

You get pissy when I say you are Pro-AC swap.. Yet you never once have settled down and asked why I feel that you are.. I have told you.. Many times in fact.. Yet I am sure you do not have a clue..

I don't have an issue with you lord.. I am willing to discuss AC swapping with you.. But you don't want to discuss.. You say you do, but your post to me earlier said otherwise.. This is your problem. You send conflicting messages..

You say you are against AC swapping.. Yet you are quick to point out where a dev said it would 'LIKELY' be added.. I have never seen a quote where the word likely was used in regards to AC swapping.. All I have ever seen is 'Soft No's'.. A concept that you seem to ignore.. One that you wouldn't ignore if you were truly against AC swapping.. You would also be like me in pointing out what the game says.. The game is directly from Bioware.. Those are Bioware's words.. Permanent.. Your choice will forever dominate your destiny.. The game tells you multiple times.. That isn't even mentioned on your little pro's and con's paste.. It should be.. It is key to this discussion.. People want to hear from Bioware.. Well.. The game is speaking for them.. They don't want to hear from Bioware.. They want to hear what they want to hear.. Which is why people like me in this discussion are always having our words twisted and manipulated into things we never said.. I spend most of my time repeating myself it isn't even funny..

Nobody that is against AC swapping has ever told someone how to play their game... Yet we are accused of that constantly.. Nobody that is against AC swapping has ever told someone not to play this game.. Or in my case if you don't play it my way then you should leave this game.. Yes! I was accused of that.. I never said it.. I could name the person that made that accusation, but I am not a jerk like that.. I don't have an ax to grind..

I am just here like everyone else wanting to share my views on this topic.. But I deserve the same respect that I show everyone else..

I have never lied about anyone.. I have never misrepresented what someone has said.. (Correction, did it once to make a point.. The point was missed by the other person involved..) I haven't insulted anyone.. I have never called anyone a troll unless I was called a troll first.. No two wrongs do not make a right.. But at least the other person might understand how it feels to be called a troll.. Yes, I know that is most likely a losing battle as well..

Yet all of the above has been done to me by you and others.. It has been done to other folks that are against AC swapping as well... Again by you and others.. Make no mistakes.. The insults, lies, and misrepresentations are all coming from one direction.. The folks that want AC swapping and including you..

I expect you aren't going to like this post. Oh well.. It is what it is.. Typos and all.. As I said.. I would love to discuss with you the topic of AC swapping.. Just please show me the respect that I show you.. Do not lie about me.. Do not misrepresent my words, and do not insult me.. Thanks..

You do know that Stephen Reid no longer works for Bioware.. So what he said in the past is somewhat moot.. Just saying..

Here is where he is now..

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/pc-games/r...g-with-heroes/

This thread from December 2011, was unsuccessful: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=103125

This thread from January 2012, was unsuccessful: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=178253

Also from January 2012, went no where: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

This thread from April 2012, was unsuccessful: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=421686

From August 2012: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

From November 2012: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

This thread from June 2013, went no where: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

This thread from July 2013, went no where: http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...ghlight=respec

I could go on and on. There is literally 1-2 posts per month on this topic.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=178253
Quote: Originally Posted by DanielErickson
Inside each one of those, we treated those as a full class

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=574157
Quote:
Aurozia: Will there be a dual specialization system in the future? Will there be a possibility of changing advance classes as well?
Daniel Erickson: We have no plans for switching advanced classes - which we see as fundamentally different class designs- but dual spec is in the works and coming soon.

Stephan Reid on AC Swapping:
http://torwars.com/2011/12/01/stephe...***-switching/

Source for all this "likely" commotion: http://dulfy.net/2012/11/16/swtor-f2...mion-schubert/

Yes, BWEA can change the game mechanics IF they choose to do so. The fact that they CAN change the game mechanics is not, in and of itself, sufficient reason for them to do so. So far, they have chosen NOT to allow class changes.

Many of us are not saying that "the game mechanics cannot ever change because it has always been this way". We are saying that the devs designed the game to NOT allow class changes, and we are asking that it stay that way.

There is a difference between saying "please don't change this designed and intended game mechanic to satisfy people who refuse to make use of the options already available to allow them to play a new class" and "this game mechanic can never be changed because it has always been that way".

I'm not aware of ANY game that sells class changes in the cash shop, as you claim. I'm not saying that there are none, just that I'm not aware of any. Could you please list at least a few, since you claim "very normal by alot of mmorpg they sell item ad cash shop and you can change your class"?

No AAA MMO allows it. SWG did allow it. Pre-NGE you lost all levels associated with the class you dropped. Post NGE it was Respec at will as long as you could afford it. I do not think anyone should use post-NGE as an example for others to follow.

FFXI allows it, that's really the only "popular" game I can think of.

Here is a small guide that explains how the FFXIV job class system works.

http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/job-cla...m-explained.6/

This is not posted to support the idea of AC change...just for information so proper comparisons can be made.

So, I take it that means it's NOT normal to be able to change your class in MMO's, or even use the cash shop to buy a class change. Gee, who would have thought?