ETA on Advanced Class change?

As usual, you miss the point. Nothing new there and it's to be expected.

Yea people have a choice, usually that choice is determined at around level 45. You know, when you start getting talents that matter? Oh but you would know that, wouldn't you?

Then they find out healing isn't for them on their sorc. Then they don't care for their style of ranged DPS. You do know there are different styles of ranged DPS? Don't you?

Oh, but you want them to delete all that effort because they didn't "earn" those levels. Nope, they just came out of thin air, it's like magic!

Take a grasp on reality bud, you really need it.

You have been debunked.

He put effort into leveling the sorcerer to level 45. Since I'm not advocating arbitrarily deleting that sorcerer, I'm not throwing away someone's effort. What he did NOT do was to put any effort into leveling an assassin. I am opposed to giving that player a level 45 assassin when he did NOT put ANY effort into leveling an assassin.

Effort put forth into task A deserves the rewards from task A but it does not warrant the rewards from task B into which NO effort was invested.

Thanks for point out that typo for me.

So now for the original quote- Since you like to put words in my mouth. I present to you the ultimate debunk.


Yup those were totally "MY" words.

Thanks for proving the following:
1. You don't do your research.
2. You aren't actually reading what people type.
3. You make things up to try to defraud someone.
4. You still can't provide a point but instead resort to personal attacks.

You pretty much did wonders for me, I was hoping you would make a slip up like this. Thanks for handing me that. I'm gonna keep it safe to use later.

We have had multiple threads about this obviously very hot topic, including this almost 250 page thread. I would think if the devs had ANY intention of really considering allowing class changes there would be a gold post at least indicating that it was still being considered, or even "worked on". Wouldn't you?

I'm not saying that the devs absolutely do not have any intention of allowing class changes, but I do think that their TOTAL SILENCE on this hot topic says something.

I can actually see why you would say that. It's very reasonable to me. I don't agree with it, but the point is fair.

This is where we fall back to the whole - "Why does it matter what other players do?".

Now you are naturally going to respond- "because I don't want people who don't know there class around me.". That's fine, quite a few people don't enjoy dealing with new people.

The thing is, even with our current system, there are people who are new to there class due to trying out a different spec. You will get newbies in either situation, so I don't see how this would make it a big deal? If a sorc was DPS from 10-55 and then randomly changed to heals at 55. He's going to be bad at his class, even though he put in all the effort.

I love the way you edited that post after I used your own words against you. I can't prove it as I did not quote the entire post, but we both know that's exactly what you did.

The PVP forums have yet to see any major dev responses for them. Regardless what you might think of them, there are so many issues around each section of the forum, they can't comment on each one.

Also the price for them commenting on something invites a huge RISK. Every time yellow text comes up, people will pick apart every single word and fires will flare up. No matter what the topic. They know this is an issue, just gotta see how it plays out.

That's why I said "thanks for helping with the typo.".

Because it was supposed to be quoting a poster I was responding to. Which is why I provided the direct quote for you, since you are intent on using personal attacks instead of offering any sort of point to the discussion. You have displayed what type of character you are though.

So, you're back to the "I want it and I say it won't affect you, so I should get it" argument?

Yes, we all know that there are players now who are not leet at playing their class and there are players who will violate "social convention" when it comes to loot rolling.

Those people exist now even without allowing class changes. You might call it an assumption, but I will bet the farm that the numbers of those types of players will go up if they allow class changes.

There will almost definitely be more players who do not know how to play their class because they were always ranged DPS and now they're ranged DPS, etc. There will also likely be more players rolling on gear to build a set for that possible upcoming class change, for example, the vanguard tank rolling on healing gear.

The fact that situation A exists is not a compelling argument for adding feature B when adding feature B will likely exacerbate situation A.

At least he put the effort into leveling that sorcerer to level 55. Even if he was DPS the entire time he was leveling, he likely at least used a heal spell or two to keep himself or his companion alive, unlike the assassin who has NO heal spells and has NO experience in using them with a sorcerer.