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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Yungscion
07.26.2013 , 03:28 PM | #2221
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
And here we have what seems to be the main reason why people want class changes-an aversion to work or effort. I know there's a word that means aversion to work or effort, and if the shoe fits....
Or maybe we can stop name calling like toddlers and realize that some people have other prorities and would like to just, you know, continue their story/unlocks/crafting/affection only as a different AC because the learned they don't like the one the picked.
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MajikMyst
07.26.2013 , 03:30 PM | #2222
Quote: Originally Posted by Yungscion View Post
3) WoW is not the end all be all final word of MMO's so can we please stop making this comparison.
No.. This game was based on WOW.. So it is an awesome example.. You just don't like it because it proves you wrong and you can't argue around it..

You don't get to change the facts to prove your point, nor do you get to decide what other game applies or doesn't..

WOW applies because this game is essentially the same game just based on Star Wars.. I am sorry if the WOW comparison essentially destroys your arguments..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

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TridusSWTOR
07.26.2013 , 03:37 PM | #2223
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If the only word that applies is "fun" then why do people that do not find doing OPS "fun" have to do OPS to get BIS gear? Why do people who do not find grinding rep "fun" have to grind rep to get the items those vendors have for sale? Why do people who do not find the leveling process "fun" and only enjoy end game have to level each new class they want to play?

That would be because "fun" is NOT the only word that applies here. Some things require "work" and "effort", even in a "game". Playing a different class should remain one of those things.
How does that level 11 guy choosing his AC at the first time effect anyone's gameplay? Please tell us all how it impacts every other player around him, to the point they take notice.

I'm sure I'll be waiting a long time.

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Ratajack
07.26.2013 , 03:40 PM | #2224
Quote: Originally Posted by Yungscion View Post
Or maybe we can stop name calling like toddlers and realize that some people have other prorities and would like to just, you know, continue their story/unlocks/crafting/affection only as a different AC because the learned they don't like the one the picked.
They made a PERMANENT choice they decided later they didn't like, so we should just let them undo it?

OK, so if I buy a new car and decide ten thousand miles later I don't like it, I can take it back to the dealer and just give the dealer the old one I don't like and get a new one?

Or, I choose to roll a bounty hunter and go mercenary, but decide at level 40 that I no longer like bounty hunter and I want to play marauder, I should be able to just change to marauder?

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MajikMyst
07.26.2013 , 03:41 PM | #2225
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
It's a game. "Work" and "effort" do not apply. The only word that applies is "fun." You have fun your way and stop worrying about how others have fun. You'll be happier for it.
Work and effort apply to anything.. Game or not.. It is kind of stupid to say otherwise..

And why don't you start worrying about others.. This is an MMO after all.. It is kind of selfish to just worry about yourself..

And before you try to spin that statement to be used with me.. I am not the one arguing to change the rules of the game.. I am arguing to keep them the way they are.. You are the one asking for change.. You are the one that needs to be concerned with others.. How it will effect others, and it will.. Is it good or bad for the game as a whole?? You seem to ignore the fact that AC swapping would be a bad thing for the game.. For many reasons..

What reasons you ask?? The ones that myself and others constantly bring up that you all ignore..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

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Ratajack
07.26.2013 , 03:41 PM | #2226
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
How does that level 11 guy choosing his AC at the first time effect anyone's gameplay? Please tell us all how it impacts every other player around him, to the point they take notice.

I'm sure I'll be waiting a long time.
The level 11 character choosing his class affects no one, but the level 55 character CHANGING his CLASS affects others.

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TridusSWTOR
07.26.2013 , 03:44 PM | #2227
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I see this kind of attitude to be incompatible with gaming.. Fun does not mean you can make up your own rules or demand that rules be changed.. . They are demanding that the rules be changed to accommodate them..

It also does effect all of us.. Because you are changing the game that we all play.. The argument that people don't have to use it is just a fallacy.. You know people will use it.. Because it is allowed.. That doesn't make it right or mean it should happen..

This kind of mentality is really stupid.. I can certainly give you a ton of examples to show this.. Like the chess one..

No other MMO allows class changing.. Case closed..
First bold part, he doesn't want us to make up our own rules. Instead he wants to enforce his rules on other players. Hyprocrite much?

Second bold, Once again, wants his rules enforced and his idea "fun" enforced on other players. Like a dictator, only he doesn't pay other people's subs.

Third bold, How does a level 11 choosing his AC for the first time and then switch to the other AC at level 12 effect you? Please elaborate.

Fourth bold, So now he flat out says what we think is wrong, and he is always right. Sounds like greed, arrogance, and enforcing personal beliefs on others. He doesn't pay anyone's sub either, yet he wants us to play "his way".

Fifth bold, insults. Because that's all they can offer at this point.

Sixth bold, has to compare other MMO's to fight his battles. Other MMO's don't have lightsabers, therefore he wants those removed as well!

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MajikMyst
07.26.2013 , 03:47 PM | #2228
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
How does that level 11 guy choosing his AC at the first time effect anyone's gameplay? Please tell us all how it impacts every other player around him, to the point they take notice.

I'm sure I'll be waiting a long time.
I explained it a few posts up.. So there is no need to be waiting..

The question is, will you understand the answer or just ignore it like you always have been..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

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TridusSWTOR
07.26.2013 , 03:48 PM | #2229
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I and many others do not like those terms.

How about:

One time AC change
AC change reverts character to level 10, resetting all non story quests
All companions remain, no loss of companion affection
Character retains all unique and no longer obtainable items
Passive XP boost granted to those characters who change AC to offset loss of XP from already completed story quests.

I can say that is all that is required, as well. That doesn't make it so.
New terms:

2 times AC change
Allow to change 11-55
High CC/Credit cost.

The suggestions you offered are just to troll the player and make the game even more unfun for unnecessary reasons. My suggestions on the other hand fit perfectly with how things are currently added to the game as it is now.

This isn't EQ anymore, so people aren't going to deal with what you suggest. I think you should rework on how you want your solutions put in, to make it less grindy. That's my only advice to you.

Btw, I leveled all my AC's to 55. So don't think I'm doing this for me.

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TridusSWTOR
07.26.2013 , 03:49 PM | #2230
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
No...

Save the credits and roll another character of the opposite AC..

Problem solved..

Not to mention you will make some more money.. Have another character for crafting or just a gathering toon..

I have both a sage and a shadow.. It isn't that hard.. There is no reason to allow AC swapping..
I have all AC's at 55. You are therefore wrong, I win.

Allow my suggestions, problem solved.

Come back when you have more suggestions, to which I will show you that you are wrong.

You have been debunked.