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EA Q1 2014: SWTOR Income Growth

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EA Q1 2014: SWTOR Income Growth

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Angedechu
07.24.2013 , 10:34 AM | #51
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Basreia
07.24.2013 , 10:48 AM | #52
Subscriber numbers don't really matter too much anymore in a f2p game that much like they used to. It's not a race to see who has bigger subscribers and then you boast about it to people anymore Ah, remember those times? It's about how the game is making money and the reason the Cartel Market was put in the game was to make money and that is exactly what it is doing. Doing it well considering what we have heard from the call.

They will continue to put stuff into the market to make the money. They will, I believe, put that money towards content development for the customers' happiness What matters now is how many people buy from the Cartel Market along with the money from subscriptions. But subscriptions aren't the only thing that matters in mmorpgs anymore. It's subscriptions who spend money on the cash shop (probably a ton) I know I do , and f2p people who spend money on the cash shop. If there is a cash shop, the cash shop is going to be the primary money maker. Because you don't have to be sub to spend 200 dollars in a cash shop I bet you there are TONS of people who do that to. Spend a lot of money on stuff. That is great for the game.

I believe the game will continue making good money and at the next investor call be making even more money as this game keeps getting better and better. The game is doing well and will continue doing well in the future. BioWare is doing a great job along with EA and I hope they listen to their customers more.
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Basreia
07.24.2013 , 10:52 AM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
swtor is not dead, and likely will not fold this year. so, if you want to be optimistic, that's definitely something to be optimistic about.

the OP forgot to include

which is offset by what the OP did say

but they aren't talking about swtor exclusively. these are overall numbers for similar game types. so, as the OP pointed out:

they don't actually make money off f2p right? in swtor, they make money off subscriptions, cartel purchases, and expansions. maybe they make ad revenue? are there ads in-game?
also this

which means some of their growth this quarter is because they're pushing expenses into next quarter.

extra content and f2p make them money. for swtor, does that just means makeb? as they stated, their growth in this category is led by FIFA. so, that $177million does not mean swtor is wildly successful. it does seem to be contributing to this profit in a positive way though.

their profits from subscriptions and digital revenue seem to be dropping. wouldn't the cartel market be 'digital revenue?' they don't really say if they are going to refocus on improving this area or not. if they want to invest in their $177 million instead of $61 million, and push up the 35% growth instead of throwing resources at the 25% decline, then i don't think that looks good for subscribers. that means less subscriber incentives and less subscriber content. if they made money on expansions, maybe they'll start charging for patches.

also, there is this:


honestly, if that's right, i think bioware should just end the subscription option. make 'preffered' status more reasonable, come out with new gambling packs every couple weeks, and charge $20 every other month for content updates. if they're going to give up on adding value to subscriptions with actual content patches, quit the charade.
I was waiting for the post to say something negative and bad about the game and it's not REALLY making money. Nice analyzing there Even though the game is doing well, making lots of money, and continuing to be great, there is always somebody who will never believe what companies say and find any ammo to say something negative about the game.
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DarkDisturbed
07.24.2013 , 10:54 AM | #54
Please note in the OP where it clearly says this is revenue growth, and not profit growth, this means that expenses do not matter in these numbers.

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Vandicus
07.24.2013 , 11:11 AM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
You forgot to mention -

"All content, subscription and free-to-play on SWTOR was up over last year, and the subscription based business was down 25% as more switched to free-to-play."

So despite everything, subs are still falling. After their previous post, puts the numbers at a lowly 350-375k.

Free trials and the 'free' to play is clearly not attracting people. Frankly, they should either reduce the fee to £4.99 a month to attract more, or just turn everything free to play and use the cartel market to drive revenue. A world with both wont work.
Where did you find that statement? I can find the statement where subscription revenue was down 25% from the same period last year(where SWTOR had dropped to 1.3 million in spring and dropped below 1 million around August) but nothing about recent subscriptions.
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Nemmar
07.24.2013 , 11:16 AM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDisturbed View Post
EA released their Q1 2014 report today and SWTOR saw a rise over 3 months ago and more growth than the last year (since q1 2013 aka may-aug 2012)





Congratulations to the Bioware team for stabilizing and now growing the game's population and income, it's a good sign.
Q1 cant possibly be related to may to august cause were not even there yet. This might be either jan to march or march to june.

Anyways its good news and i hope this mean there will be resources to get rid of the pesky ability failure bug once and for all.

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Angedechu
07.24.2013 , 11:19 AM | #57
The sentence ''Our results also reflect the phasing of expenses out of Q1 into future quarters.'' is a bit, as I said, a cold shower

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Vandicus
07.24.2013 , 11:22 AM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by Angedechu View Post
The sentence ''Our results also reflect the phasing of expenses out of Q1 into future quarters.'' is a bit, as I said, a cold shower
Expenses don't affect revenues. If we're talking about the overall health of the company that might be worth more concern, but as I understand it we're simply discussing TOR's relative position to last year and more recent quarters.
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hadoken
07.24.2013 , 11:23 AM | #59
Quote: Originally Posted by DarkDisturbed View Post
Please note in the OP where it clearly says this is revenue growth, and not profit growth, this means that expenses do not matter in these numbers.

Cheers.
While that's true, you'd have to be pretty silly to believe EA would dump more money on this game at this point :P

I think the 10% is good news.

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curtkram
07.24.2013 , 11:29 AM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Kamansus View Post
You're reading into things that regard other games and EA management in a more general sense. EA has said that they have doubled their monthly profits from SWTOR since F2P conversion, I think their profit margin is fine.
i don't think this was included in their recent earnings report. if i'm mistaken, please show me where they said that.

Quote: Originally Posted by Basreia View Post
I was waiting for the post to say something negative and bad about the game and it's not REALLY making money. Nice analyzing there Even though the game is doing well, making lots of money, and continuing to be great, there is always somebody who will never believe what companies say and find any ammo to say something negative about the game.
first of all, i specifically said at the start that swtor is not dieing, and that i don't expect it fold. i stand by that statement. the game is fine. second, that report did not say swtor is "making lots of money." you're just choosing the parts that sound hopeful and attributing those to swtor, even though they may be more applicable to FIFA or battlefield. you didn't even provide a link to the report so other could validate your sugar-coating.
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