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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Vhaegrant
07.24.2013 , 02:36 AM | #2101
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I think you are missing the point.. Sure there were a few class specific quests.. So what?? That again has no bearing on what a class is or isn't.. Every class in the game pretty much does the same quests from outland on to level.. Faction being the only thing that separates the quests.. Horde quests were always different than Alliance.. WOTLK, Cata, and finally MOP didn't change anything.. All classes do the same quests.. Again faction being the only difference.. SWTOR has the same separation with faction that WOW has.. Imperials do different quests than the republic.. WOW's story was based on race..

Class story doesn't define anything accept the to point out that it would be way to expensive to do 16 stories instead of just 8.. And to claim that the stories proves that the AC is not a class is simply ignoring the obvious.. One being that Bioware didn't have the time or money to do 16 stories.. Second that characters in other MMO's do many of the same classes and it has no bearing on whether or not they are the same class..

Bioware on 4 separate occasions says in the game, 2 are text and 2 are voice, that your choice is permanent.. It doesn't get any clearer than that..

The debate about whether or not an AC is a class or not only comes to belittle or devalue the class so the change that people are asking for won't sound that dramatic.. What they don't realize is that they aren't fooling anyone.. Except perhaps themselves..

Looks and appearance have no bearing on class.. They chose their class when they chose their AC.. That was their single defining moment.. You can't wish that to be different.. It is what it is..
I'm not missing the point. In most of my posts I accept that there is a different viewpoint to mine, hence the discussion. I have always stated that I see two main camps of play, those gamers that focus on story (my camp) and those gamers that focus on mechanics (your camp).
I think the suggestion of an AC change is offensive to many in the second camp (and maybe to some in the first as well) because it belittles the choice they have made in choosing the role they will play by making the time they have spent on researching and levelling an advanced class mean less. I think this comes from associating very closely to the character and gaining some sense of real life validation from your gaming experience. (In many respects this is a very similar sentiment to the arguments seen in the 'earn it by playing/ purchase it with CC' threads).
On the other hand I'm just here to have a bit of fun, chill out from the grim realities of my real life work and hopefully when/if I can ever persuade my pals to get online at the same time have a bit of multiplayer mayhem. It is after all a game

Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Bioware is the only authority on this issue.. There is no argument.. Because of the fact, there is no governing body that defines what a class is or isn't.. Game publishers have the right to determine class for themselves.. So debating the issue is both stupid and a waste of time..
So you would suggest Bioware close the forums? After all debate is stupid and a waste of time

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LordArtemis
07.24.2013 , 02:45 AM | #2102
Lol.

The saga continues.

There are reasons to allow AC change...reputable ones at that. There are also reputable reasons, IMO. to not allow it.

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Vhaegrant
07.24.2013 , 02:51 AM | #2103
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Lol.

The saga continues.

There are reasons to allow AC change...reputable ones at that. There are also reputable reasons, IMO. to not allow it.
Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

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hillerbees
07.24.2013 , 02:59 AM | #2104
Can this thread be closed?

The advance class choice is an EPIC moment in the game and it is a LIFE decision for your character. If this changes I am outta here and don't worry the door won't hit me on the way out.

To all who disagree, one word - RE-ROLL

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LordArtemis
07.24.2013 , 03:07 AM | #2105
I will not leave if they allow it...I will be disappointed though.

Again, I will not deny something the majority wants, if that is the case, for my selfish benefit. That said, I hope it remains a permanent choice.

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branmakmuffin
07.24.2013 , 09:18 AM | #2106
Quote: Originally Posted by hillerbees View Post
Can this thread be closed?
'Cause that's a better solution than you simply ignoring it.

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TridusSWTOR
07.24.2013 , 09:28 AM | #2107
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
You are correct. Last time I checked, In SWoTR, you are not allowed to change your class either.
Hence the whole point of this topic, to add a QoL change. Since all AC's only start fully blooming around 40, which is way too late in the game to see if you like a AC or not.

Oh let me guess, re-roll is your next response? How about....No.

You have been debunked. Nice try at being witty though, I'll give you that, too bad it fell short.

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TridusSWTOR
07.24.2013 , 09:32 AM | #2108
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Well.. See that is what I did offer.. Was a context.. You just missed it.. Nothing new there..

As for me being debunked?? Not hardly.. Not only does your post prove that you don't understand basic comparisons and contexts.. But it also proves me right.. See.. I doubt you are as stupid as you would like others to believe you are.. You just can't argue with me, because you know I am right..

Instead of attempting to make your point about main stats, (Which of course you have no point..) you went on to attempt to discredit my example of WOW.. Then went on to ask me for exactly what I gave you.. A meaningful context of the game..

Yes this is SWTOR, but as I said.. In order for your logic to be valid here, it has to be valid in other MMO's.. For logic to work, it has to work everywhere.. You can't say that two classes here are different classes because they share a main stat.. When in other games, a main stat does not determine a class.. Double standards are not logical.. Not to mention double standards sort of make you look like a fool..

As for being debunked?? Well.. You better get close to your mirror.. That is the only way you are going to see someone debunked..
Oh so WoW is in context of this game? Two different MMO settings is totally context.

Thanks for proving me right, for the third time and openly admitting that you failed to provide context once again.

It seems all you could provide is insults, which shows exactly how much merit your argument has...which is none. I would double check what main stat is bud, it seems you have no idea what it means. Do you even play this game at this point?

Once again, debunked.

Pro-tip- If you have call End on a tank spec a main stat, well you already lost.

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branmakmuffin
07.24.2013 , 09:36 AM | #2109
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Oh so WoW is in context of this game? Two different MMO settings is totally context.

Thanks for proving me right, for the third time and openly admitting that you failed to provide context once again.
Citing WoW as iron-clad proof of what TOR should do is rather weak, eh? That's his go-to song.

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TridusSWTOR
07.24.2013 , 09:40 AM | #2110
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Bioware is the only authority on this issue.. There is no argument.. Because of the fact, there is no governing body that defines what a class is or isn't.. Game publishers have the right to determine class for themselves.. So debating the issue is both stupid and a waste of time..

Looks and appearance have no bearing on class.. They chose their class when they chose their AC.. That was their single defining moment.. You can't wish that to be different.. It is what it is..
Bioware didn't want sprint at level 1 either. Oh wait they changed that.

Yea, offering change is part of a a healthy MMO's life, I hate to break that little nugget of truth for you. It's clear you don't know anything about running a business since you would rather make things frustrating for a player rather than hear them out.

Thank god you aren't a dev though. Bioware listened to it's players before and changed their stance on issues, this is no different. I guess you left that part out didn't you? How convenient

Let me guess, your next response is- "You can't compare sprint and AC changes omgerd!" Why? because it utterly destroys your entire argument about bioware not willing to change? I thought so.

You have been debunked, again.