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Basreia
07.23.2013 , 11:01 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by chuuuuucky View Post
Oh i would like to see how the community will react if Bioware will release stims and buffs that give you an advatage. You know so casuals have better chances of clearing the NiM modes and in the same time they can make them harder for those progression guilds that don't want to use those BiS stims and buffs.
Bioware should give it a try.
This would also be a good training for their PR guys as they could try to write more awesome blog posts that explain that this is no P2W.
I would guess that it is even ok to sell the best gear and make modifications and stuff available via cc so you can optimize you stats with real money. No need for crafters. You can sell everything in the GTN of course.
As nothing that is PvE content can be P2W we should also add grade 8 space ship parts to cm only.
And why bother with PvP sell the best stuff in the cm. PvP is secondary content anyways so why always the headaches with new gear. Just give everyone the best gear for money and all that is left is skill.
I see great times for BW so much money to make.

Stims and buffs are already available in game. You can get stims from the merchants and buffs are available through the different characters also your Legacy. If you have one of each character you can have a Legacy buffed player that is almost unstoppable. F2P players can unlock Legacy and work on the buffs from the other characters so that is no problem.

I can see where you are getting, but BioWare would never put buffs in the shop that are from around the whole game so any class can use it at anytime. What would be the point of character buffs then? I see your point but remember, just don't take the examples too far Anything you can get in the Cartel Market to advance your character you can get in game.
Use the force

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chuuuuucky
07.23.2013 , 12:11 PM | #202
Well the post was intended to be sarcasm and over the top. If not obviouse sorry for that. All was ment to be something that is cm only and even more powerfull than what we have.
If Bioware is redefining their definition of P2W or simply scrap their restrictions on cm items theys set for themselfes (no more high end stuff after the space gear debacle) they could easely sell stuff that makes casuals ready for higher difficulty modes simply with the argument that they don't have to use it.
I would love to see what would happen if they did something like that just for the lulz.

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BUBBUH
07.23.2013 , 01:53 PM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by Never_Hesitate View Post
it's not a demo
it's way more than a demo would ever offer
it's more than a lot of single player games even offer, 8 story lines with missions and side missions all of it for free
And it's also barely playable. I highly doubt someone would go through awful combat mechanics just to see a two second tack on story that BW threw together. And before we get there, just because you are willing to deal with a nerfed mmo doesn't mean everyone else will. In fact most people haven't.
GTN Master.

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Never_Hesitate
07.23.2013 , 02:08 PM | #204
Quote: Originally Posted by BUBBUH View Post
And it's also barely playable. I highly doubt someone would go through awful combat mechanics just to see a two second tack on story that BW threw together. And before we get there, just because you are willing to deal with a nerfed mmo doesn't mean everyone else will. In fact most people haven't.
If you are not willing to play it with the restrictions, buy a subscription, it's that easy
waiting for ...

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BUBBUH
07.23.2013 , 03:14 PM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Never_Hesitate View Post
If you are not willing to play it with the restrictions, buy a subscription, it's that easy
Or get one of the far superior mmos out there completely free. Enjoy having a big EA logo stamped on your forehead.
GTN Master.

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jedip_enguin
07.23.2013 , 03:19 PM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by BUBBUH View Post
Or get one of the far superior mmos out there completely free. Enjoy having a big EA logo stamped on your forehead.
Tell us more about these magical MMOs.
Click my link please, I'm almost out of Cartel coins - http://www.swtor.com/r/Sh6HPh

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Propane
07.23.2013 , 05:26 PM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Amaranth View Post
So based on your examples of why TOR is P2W, let's look at some of the other freemium MMOs you mentioned in this thread:

LOTRO is P2W because F2P players have a 2 gold limit, they only get a couple of trait slots, and cannot earn rest XP.
Rift is P2W because subscribers get 15% more currency and daily XP/reputation boosts.
Tera is P2W because subscribers get daily XP, gold, and reputation boosts.
Aion is P2W because F2P players can only gather/extract a limited number of times each day, and their instance cooldowns are much longer.

Subscribers will always get benefits that F2P players don't get; otherwise there would be no point in subscribing. Now you can argue that TOR has more restrictions than other games (and I would actually agree with you on that), but having restrictions doesn't make it P2W. Otherwise every freemium MMO would be P2W.
Rift doesn't have subscribers.

They have elite status like how swtor has it's "premium for those who paid 60$ for the game and who paid 5$ on the cartel market."

And still in those MMO's you can get and wear all armor, unlike swtor where f2pers cannnot wear most high level armor and most purple armors.

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Propane
07.23.2013 , 05:31 PM | #208
Payments should only be used to broaden the gaming experience without affecting the core gameplay itself.

Thank you guys for getting me to a 22 page post with a 7 word thread.

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LordArtemis
07.23.2013 , 05:31 PM | #209
It is amusing how people use the term "Pay to Win" to present some kind of negative tone for a game. Just about any complaint now a days can become "P2W" as if that somehow destroys the appeal of a game.

It's a pretty silly notion considering that, unless you are a sheep you can think for yourself and realize that most of it is diatribe. P2W is a title that folks use when they don't like something to try and persuade you to agree.

I don't think it's going to have that effect.

In other words....so what if it is P2W?

Really....so what?

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Propane
07.23.2013 , 05:35 PM | #210
They minus as well as made the F2P single player and given the MMO parts as a demo, seeing how ALL the parts that make a MMO a MMO are all on a limit.