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Propane
07.23.2013 , 04:10 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Pay to win is paying for something in game that is not normally available to players.

The items you mention are available to players without paying.

One could say paying a sub is pay to win...sure.

But I'm not sure what kind of point this makes, unless your making a point that pencils are made of wood and lead and lead is bad for you.
Again, go look at the restriction page before saying that these restrictions don't exist.

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Propane
07.23.2013 , 04:11 AM | #172
Payments should only be used to broaden the gaming experience without affecting the gameplay itself.

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Never_Hesitate
07.23.2013 , 04:11 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
And here is why it is pay to win:

Free to Play can't use best armor untill they have paid a subscription (that alone is pay to win but I will continue), they have a very limited credit limit, They cannot go into operations to get the best gear (that they can't even wear,) subbed players level up faster, they have a limited number of skills to use due to the quickbar restriction. Those who pay can craft faster, leaving those who havn't paid in the dust with crafting.
you could just reference to this: http://www.swtor.com/free/features
it clearly shows, that it is not intended for f2p players to really enjoy the endgame without paying a lot of unlocks, so you do attack their marketing strategy to let the f2p players enjoy all the class stories (which are a huge part of swtor) but not the endgame.
This is not p2w, this is p2play, so please rest that silly argument
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BUBBUH
07.23.2013 , 04:13 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by Tsillah View Post
I reiterate because apparently a couple of people have a hard time grasping a basic concept. That is why I repeat the same thing in different forms in the hope that I covered every angle.
Lol more like if they don't go free the whole game will tank in 2 years max anyways. After they siphon however much money they can off of the remaining 8 people who are still playing swtor.

And yet again words are put into my mouth. The game is good, but not good enough to warrant 15$ compared to other games out there, as i've said numerous times.

I'll break down why it needs to go free. It will go free eventually, but i'll tell you why it has to now. It boils down to a simple thing called "Elder Scrolls Online" I guarantee the game will sink further if they do not change their business process within 3 months of that release. Whats the one thing SWTOR needs above all else to survive?
No, not stupid pets. Growth. Free to play, and not a glorified trial, but actual free to play does what, get more people interested.
Once that happens, it will only need the cash shop, and cool looking armor to carry it, and it will still bank a profit. But more importantly, the world wouldn't collectively throw up when they hear the sheer mention of the word "EA".

Now of course you can have some sort of special "EA Supporter" package where you get a big EA logo stamped on your forehead and a number as a name for some 40$ sub, but the cash shop is all you need to make a profit.
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Propane
07.23.2013 , 04:13 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by Never_Hesitate View Post
you could just reference to this: http://www.swtor.com/free/features
it clearly shows, that it is not intended for f2p players to really enjoy the endgame without paying a lot of unlocks, so you do attack their marketing strategy to let the f2p players enjoy all the class stories (which are a huge part of swtor) but not the endgame.
This is not p2w, this is p2play, so please rest that silly argument
Which is why they should rename "Free to Play" to "Glorified demo, please pay us money to be able to play the parts that make a MMO a MMO"

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Falmair
07.23.2013 , 04:54 AM | #176
My only question is , How do you WIN , a MMO anyways?

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JPryde
07.23.2013 , 04:58 AM | #177
Noone here claims that there are no restrictions for F2P and preferred players.

There are a lot of restrictions, some silly, some reasonable. The restrictions are in place to do two things:
1. allow F2P players to enjoy the class stories (which is absolutely possible without paying a cent)
2. give those players a reason to spend money in order to enjoy the whole endgame, where class stories are void.

The system works as intended and the cartel shop is offering no item, that will give you an advantage over other players, with two small exceptions, which might be arguable....
1. The permission to wear artifact equipment. This one can be paid for in credits, which revokes the "P2W"-argument
2. The expansion... you cannot access lvl 51+ content without paying this.

But you can access the whole game for free and that should be enough even for the most greedy person. Someone who is not willing to pay at all, also is not entitled to get it all.
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Never_Hesitate
07.23.2013 , 04:59 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Which is why they should rename "Free to Play" to "Glorified demo, please pay us money to be able to play the parts that make a MMO a MMO"
it's not a demo
it's way more than a demo would ever offer
it's more than a lot of single player games even offer, 8 story lines with missions and side missions all of it for free
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TheNahash
07.23.2013 , 04:59 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Which is why they should rename "Free to Play" to "Glorified demo, please pay us money to be able to play the parts that make a MMO a MMO"
which is why the people who enjoyed that "Glorified demo" should pay so that the MMO we enjoy stays alive.
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RahaylaCora
07.23.2013 , 05:36 AM | #180
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
No, I bet not one person has beaten the story in a F2P account without paying for anything, weather it be for a sub or cartel coins.
You lose once more. I played 2 characters to the end. I subscribed for playing new characters, plus no restrictions and supporting the game. I still haven't bought any Cartel Coins in 8 months of gaming (F2P and subscriber).