Pay to Win

A bit of advice for you. Saying things like this is more likely to make people not take you (or your opinion) seriously. Not everyone is going to agree with you, but that doesn't make your opinion any less valid, just as it doesn't make my opinion any more valid. And just because someone doesn't agree with you, that doesn't make them a fanboy.

Of course it's greedy. All companies are greedy, because the number one goal for any company is to make as much money as possible. F2Pers may not like the fact that they may actually have to pay for something, but as long as enough of them do actually pay, the model was successful.

Let's take a different approach. What model would you suggest that will generate just as much revenue per F2P player as TOR currently generates?

1200 Cartel Coins is quite a hefty sum, don't you forget that.

They said that most money spent on the cartel market is from subscribers. So my guess would be a free Trial so noone can complaine about restrictions or you can even say no restrictions. And then with Level 15 they have to buy subscription with cash shop.
Funny thing is we were at that point months ago only without cash shop.

It is? I can get 1500 CC for 12€ which I do not really consider to be a "hefty sum".

this is not true. just because gordon gekko said it does not make it true. just because right wing radio shows and fox news say it does not make it true.

Of course not. Don't be so incredibly simplistic. F2P accounts were with limitations from the start, because it's still a game with subs. It allows you to play the game for free within certain limitations compared to subs. As soon as you want more than that, it costs you money.

Again it's not rocket science that this is different from a game that is completely set up as F2P with cash shop payments only.

But apparently, this is difficult to grasp for you but the sooner you get that this is a game with subs with limited f2p access instead of a full fledged f2p game, the sooner you understand the folly of your whole campaign here.

If you want full access for f2p players then subs become useless and so there is your answer. As long as this game supports subs f2p accounts cannot get full access and making it fully f2p will make the cartel market even more important and invasive. I don't want a game like that.

It seems to me that you pay a sub (since you are posting here) and just want it all for free. You don't care about this game obviously, you just want it for free the way you want it till you jump ship to the next game and you are just using pay to win as a slogan to meet your needs...even though it's all based on false reasoning.

F2P in SWTOR actually allows you a lot more than for example in WoW, but also WoW is a game with subs with a limited F2P programme...again it's also not a full fledged F2P game.

SWTOR, and I will say it again, is not a F2P but a sub game with F2P options that have limitations simply because you can't offer the same for free when others are paying for it.

If you still don't get it, then I'll just feel sorry for you.

I don't necessarily agree with this. I could see lots of people trying the game with full-access free trial, yes. However, I think a lot of those people would not continue if a lot of their abilities were suddenly taken away at the end of the trial. If they were not positive about wanting to subscribe, they may just throw their hands up and walk away. Whereas, if they have less to begin with and work their way up to unlocking more gameplay, or just want to see what the subscriber experience is like, I think they will be more likely to stick around and even pay some money.

I'm of the opinion, based on how it's set up, that the free mode is simply for people that want to play through the class story to see what BioWare actually does well at - single player stuff. You're really not meant to play with others in any reasonable fashion given all the limitations they heap upon you.

I'm also of the opinion, compared to BioWare's other single player offerings, the free to play version of this game simply isn't worth playing because of all the stuff you see in the game that you are severely limited or simply unable to do. It isn't a complete game even from a single player experience in that setup. It's simply a lure to get you to subscribe, where the game actually becomes decent.

All that said, it makes perfect sense for BioWare to do it this way. They WANT you to sub. Ideally they want you to sub AND buy stuff off the cartel market. And plenty of people are doing just that.

Well but then why not add more QoL features to the subscription. Legacy bank, dual spec, on and off switchable double xp, more options to preview what you wear and your stats.
And then give f2p players a one week subscription pass they can use when ever they want.
Like i said before this is very common in browser games and they have a lot of success with it. It is just all about showing f2p players how much more comfortable your life as subscriber is.

Seems to me that the 'Restricted Crowd' for the most part are the 'Casual Crowd'. I find it strange that on the one hand P2W deals with the competative/hardcore aspect of a game, but on the other, these people won't subscribe to the game. If you are someone who cares enough to come on the forums and complain about P2W, how can you also be playing as a 'casual' and are F2P or Preferred?

P2W can only exist when dealing with a Sub VS a Sub. You can't play the Roller Caster Tycoon Trial and complain about the P2W and restrictions...