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Soluss
07.21.2013 , 08:10 PM | #161
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Have you played WOW LordArtemis?? That game had dual spec'ing at one time.. Dual spec'ing diminishes the value of a spec.. Why have a spec in the first place if you can just change it when ever you want on a whim..

WOW no longer has talent trees.. I would not like to go to the system that WOW has in SWTOR.. A dumbed down version of specs that basically means nothing.. Specs with little to no customization..
Dual spec does not diminish the value of a spec. It just makes it easier to switch between your chosen specs. Something you can already do in ToR, just not as easy.

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Dual spec'ing isn't a new issue and it is an issue that many of us have seen how it effected other games..

What we have is fine and people shouldn't be complaining for more.. As for that negative impact you are missing.. Try looking in WOW.. It is only the largest most popular MMO in existence..
Cell phones were fine before smartphones. We now have smartphones and its better. What we have now is fine. Dual spec would be better. There is nothing wrong with asking for that option. I fail to see the negative impact.

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The problem is as always.. People don't give a crap about the health of the game or what is good for the game.. They only care about themselves.. What is easy for them.. And people wonder why so many MMO's are screwed up.. To much easy in an MMO is a very bad thing.. The entire point of a game is to play it.. Easy prevents that.. This is not a QOL issue.. This is yet another issue of laziness.. People can change their spec.. So it takes a little effort.. At least they don't have to go to a trainer and pay some credits to do it.. At least they have the option of field respect.. People shouldn't attempted to take a mile when given an inch..
I agree with you to some extent. Some things are made too easy. Dual spec is not something that makes playing a game too easy. You can already respec so there is no reason why we can have saved specs, which is all dual spec really is. Im still playing the game by building my trees. Its not like I would select different points everytime I respec. I would have my point selection the same everytime unless I felt like changing something to experiment. Dual spec doesn't change any of that. Its the same gameplay either way but more convenient.
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MajikMyst
07.21.2013 , 10:22 PM | #162
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Dual spec does not diminish the value of a spec. It just makes it easier to switch between your chosen specs. Something you can already do in ToR, just not as easy.
You are wrong.. There is just no getting around it.. If specs had value then people wouldn't demand to change them all the time.. What people really want is one spec that does it all.. Isn't that what dual spec'ing sort of allows a player to have?? I think it is.. I realize you want it.. But wanting it doesn't make you right..

I played WOW for over 5 years.. I saw dual spec'ing effect WOW for the worse.. From player quality to the value of a spec.. Nobody specialized in anything anymore..

Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Cell phones were fine before smartphones. We now have smartphones and its better. What we have now is fine. Dual spec would be better. There is nothing wrong with asking for that option. I fail to see the negative impact.
Cell phones?? You are equating specs to a cell phone?? Ok.. I am done laughing.. Get a clue dude.. That is beyond lame.. There is no reason to have dual spec'ing.. I know why people want it.. But it isn't good for the health of the game.. Why have a spec at all if you can change it at will??

Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
I agree with you to some extent. Some things are made too easy. Dual spec is not something that makes playing a game too easy. You can already respec so there is no reason why we can have saved specs, which is all dual spec really is. Im still playing the game by building my trees. Its not like I would select different points everytime I respec. I would have my point selection the same everytime unless I felt like changing something to experiment. Dual spec doesn't change any of that. Its the same gameplay either way but more convenient.
See you are ignoring the real issue here.. Which all the people that want it ignore.. They just want easy mode.. They don't want to work for anything.. They just want convenient.. They want easy.. Laziness has taken over the game.. Nobody actually wants to play it.. To be honest, you shouldn't have dual spec'ing at all.. It should go back to old school where you had to go to a trainer and pay a lot of credits.. Having a spec should have value.. I remember when people rolled specific characters just for PVP, and tanks and healers were different characters.. Changing your spec was just meant to alter your current spec.. Not go from one talent tree to another..

What we have now is fine and is actually more than enough.. The inconvenience that we have now is justified to insure the value of our spec.. We do not need nor should we have a 1 button do it all for us.. If you don't want to play the game and all you care about is easy.. You probably shouldn't be playing an MMO..
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Kingsbount
07.21.2013 , 11:18 PM | #163
No problem, folks. If you want this feature - keep dreaming.

But you must explain me something - who will refund my CC on all my characters, that was used to buy field respec.
And wich price it will have for the F2P'ers? Or think that this will be for free?
Becouse if it will be for free - subs will lose one of their features.

On the other hand, if this will have current cost of respec - F2P'ers will rage quit becouse they don't have it for free.

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PlanetLove
07.22.2013 , 03:32 AM | #164
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They just want easy mode.. They don't want to work for anything.. They just want convenient.. They want easy.. Laziness has taken over the game.. Nobody actually wants to play it..
I fail to see how manually assigning your spec points and reorganzing your action bars is dilligent and using dual spec is lazy just because it was 1 minute faster to respec? It's a quality of life improvement not an automation of actual gameplay (combat etc.).

And Kingsbount you don't want dual spec included just because you paid CC for field respec? Things get cheaper / easier to get etc. all the time in MMOs...get used to it.
Edit: and field respec is an additional functionality to dual spec as well... you can change all your points at will (out of combat), not just change between 2 set specs.

I think Dual spec and a wardrobe function to change gear would bring more people to tanking and healing and that's a good thing, because they are too rare.

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Ratajack
07.22.2013 , 04:14 AM | #165
Quote: Originally Posted by PlanetLove View Post
I fail to see how manually assigning your spec points and reorganzing your action bars is dilligent and using dual spec is lazy just because it was 1 minute faster to respec? It's a quality of life improvement not an automation of actual gameplay (combat etc.).
If it is not laziness that causes this clamoring for dual spec and dual spec will only save one minute then we don't really need it, do we? We already have the ability to have infinite specs and it only takes a minute to switch between them.

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PlanetLove
07.22.2013 , 04:35 AM | #166
To me manually respeccing vs dual spec is like manually dialing a (memorized) phone number vs. using a saved number. It's a short time saved but still extremely useful and I can't really understand why anybody would think the latter is bad and lazy ....*shrug*

Oh well, not a big deal as I solo well enough in tank / heal spec - yay for dps companions with maxed presence buff

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oaceen
07.22.2013 , 04:58 AM | #167
calling people lazy when we're discussing a QoL issue is a bit silly imo. all QoL issues are just about making things easier and more intuitive.

that said, i think changing the midst of battle would probably be a little broken. having an AOE spec for add phases for instance, then changing to single target in the middle of a boss fight might encourage people to require having these two specs to raid with them, which could be a problem.
i don't see the problem with changing specs in the middle of warzones though (as long as it isn't actually in the middle of fighting someone) as people change specs all the time when changing sides in voidstar for instance.

i think, any one or a combination of the following: not usable in combat, a lockout timer (like 5-10min), and a short channel (10-15s) would probably alleviate some of the concerns that i feel are valid on the issue.
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AlexDougherty
07.22.2013 , 05:18 AM | #168
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Dual spec does not diminish the value of a spec. It just makes it easier to switch between your chosen specs. Something you can already do in ToR, just not as easy.
Actually if you make it easier to change specs, then you do devalue the specs, the fact that it's a pain means that you consider before you change, and you consider as you build the spec. It might not devalue much, but it does devalue.

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Cell phones were fine before smartphones. We now have smartphones and its better. What we have now is fine. Dual spec would be better. There is nothing wrong with asking for that option. I fail to see the negative impact.
Assumption upon assumption here, I don't have a smart phone, I don't even have a cell/mobile phone, I don't want one. And just because you can't see a negative side doesn't mean there isn't one.
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Never_Hesitate
07.22.2013 , 05:46 AM | #169
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post

They have Field respec. If they just took that, and added a gear manager and tree saver they'd be done with it. We just want something that saves the gear and the tree settings when we use the field respec. They just need to copy the Dual Spec from WoW and call it a day
I guess they would be able to **** it up so bad, that both gears/speccs would be taken or none of them

Now on a more serious note:
I would really like to see a dual specc system or a gear box system so that the 4 Gear set wouldn't clog up my inventory anymore (or just half as much )
waiting for ...

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AlrikFassbauer
07.22.2013 , 06:46 AM | #170
What is this "Dual Spec", actually ?

SWTOR is - apart from DDO - my second MMO, so don't expect anything from me.
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