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Propane
07.22.2013 , 01:40 AM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by GuruVII View Post
All the unlocks can be found on the GTN, so people can use in game credits to buy these unlocks... true someone else had to put it there, but if you have the credits you can easily quite close to subscribers as far as the features go, without spending a single unit of a currency.
Then that goes to another restrictions, f2p players can only hold 200k.

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Propane
07.22.2013 , 01:42 AM | #92
Page 10 of people trying to protect all mighty EA.

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JPryde
07.22.2013 , 02:07 AM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Page 10 of people trying to protect all mighty EA.
Page 10 of people trying to smack every bit of a great game with made up flaws.
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Never_Hesitate
07.22.2013 , 02:15 AM | #94
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Other "Freemium" MMOs you can go to max level without worries, they don't leave main parts like PVP and Raids out of the free to play experience. Now in swtor, all of the fun parts about the game are restrictive.
The story-heavy MMO SWTOR lets the F2P players enjoy the class story up to level 50 for free, so please tell me more about leaving out main parts of the experience.

Just because you don't enjoy the story, doesn't mean it isn't (one of the) the biggest part(s) of SWTOR
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AlexDougherty
07.22.2013 , 02:30 AM | #95
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Page 10 of people trying to protect all mighty EA.
Page 10 of you not getting that you are in the wrong.
Ten pages and you've yet to even come close to winning this arguement.

A subscription is not pay to win, free to players can get to level 50 without buying anything, and after they buy the expansion they can get to level 55 without buying anything else. They can get the gear to compete in PVP and PVE, and if they do want to equip artifacts or artifact level equipment, they can buy the authorisation off GTN.

The game needs money coming in to run the servers the game plays off, and most MMO's either require a sub, or encourage you to buy stuff off them to complete the game.

This is a summary of the ten pages so far, you are not going to win this debate, or even come close.
*Edit fixed the buying the expension line*
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chuuuuucky
07.22.2013 , 02:36 AM | #96
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
A subscription is not pay to win, free to players can get to level 50 without buying anything, and after they buy the expansion they can get to level 55 without buying anything..
Buy something without buying anything?
Just kidding bu i agree with what you said. Subscription is not P2W.

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GuruVII
07.22.2013 , 02:39 AM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Then that goes to another restrictions, f2p players can only hold 200k.
I did say that you can easily quite close to subscribers, so clearly there are restrictions... credit limit isn't amongst them, since you can buy escrow unlocks, which increase the amount of credits you can hold.

But most importantly f2p players can buy the artifact unlock solely with credits, as long as put it on the GTN.

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Propane
07.22.2013 , 02:56 AM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by xorcist View Post
My views on Free to play, paying, and subscribing. Who really pays and who wins:

The thing is that when this game went free to play, nothing really changed for the subscribers. Other than getting some cartel coins each month and that was it. Here, free to play is so restrictive that there are features that should not be so. The conciseness from word of mouth is from all the MMORPG's that have a free to play option, SWTOR has one of the worst free to play models today. There is no debate about it. Most of the restrictions are asinine. It is a fact. It almost feels like everyone outside looking in is laughing at Bioware right now. Once more, subscriptions in other MMO's that have both models give more to their subscribers than just cash shop currency. They make it much more advantageous and attractive to subscribe while their free to play model is far less restrictive. Even a one time purchase of the game entitles you to even less restrictions still. Everybody's happy. But here, we have basically nothing extra for subscribing, still have to pay for the barbershop feature and extra for newly added hairstyles etc. Holiday purchases? No event? Not even a little something?! Ah ok, fireworks. gotcha... Our $15 per month should pay for all the small extra features added. The one and only time this has happened was with the first attempt for the HK quest. Once complete, it could be purchased through Legacy. So I don't know how I feel about that. But I suppose you can look at it like an in game unlock.

However, the huge problem with this game is the greed from Bioware and EA. It sours everything. Just because they couldn't hold on to subscribers and sustain a profitable income from subscriptions alone, they used a band-aid in the form of a Cartel Market to keep things going. Fine, its not shutting down for now, great. But the problems that caused the mass exodus has not been resolved and I doubt it ever will be. This project had dozens of awfully bad decisions made during development. And for that, we'll always pay extra for it. It's unfortunate, but this game will continue to stay on life support with no change in sight. That is until players get tired of forking over hundreds of dollars extra on top of their subscription every month. But then again, the man in charge of the Cartel Market will always have some new candy in his van for you. I love Star Wars. I couldn't get into SWG. It just wasn't for me. Now, with all the greed Bioware and EA are emanating from this game, it makes it very difficult to support them. Such a shame... This project had such potential but they all simply stopped caring.
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Propane
07.22.2013 , 02:59 AM | #99
No I do not think SWTOR is a bad game, its quite the opposite - I think swtor is one of the best MMO to come out in years. Just their practices of their f2p model are so outrageously greedy to the point that it is unplayable unless you spend money or ingame credits to re-leave yourself of some of these restrictions.

I'm providing criticisms that free players would say, but can't say on these forums. Many here are not going to agree here because they are already supporting this system.

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JPryde
07.22.2013 , 03:02 AM | #100
Quote: Originally Posted by Propane View Post
Other "Freemium" MMOs you can go to max level without worries, they don't leave main parts like PVP and Raids out of the free to play experience.
Could you name at least 2 MMOs, where you can indeed go to max level without worries and be as effective as a subscriber in terms of combat without paying a thing. I might want to check them out.
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