Pay to Win

The point of this is to show out outrageous the restrictions are for free to play players. Hell they can't even write on this forum and voice their opinions.

I doubt anyone made it to 50 without paying on the market to get rid of some of their restrictions or just paid for a subscription.
Hell, I bet they would make more money with a real f2p system instead of this glorified demo. Look how successful Riot was with league, you can go pro in that game without paying a penny. Look how good LOTRO is doing compared to swtor with their F2P - they get as much players in a day than SWTOR gets in a month. And that game is 6 years old.

I don't expect anyone to agree with me due to them having being forced to play this knowing that they are paying monthly.

No 50 cents a day isn't a lot of money, but not everyone is paying with their parents money.

This is straight from their restrictions page: "Cannot equip most purple items" - that is an example for pay to win for all of you who don't know what pay to win means.

Now excuse me while I go play better MMOs - where I am rewarded for supporting the game upon, unlike some games I know..Also with those free content update that I am allowed to enjoy without having to pay even more on top of a subscription on the cartel market.

Go ahead, close down the forum - this is the closest you will get of criticism because all F2P players are 100% ignored by this company.

Actually, i know of two who made it to lvl 50 without buying anything on the CM (as in they are true F2P players and not preferred).
They are both from my guild.
I tink one of them is preferred now because he bought the expansion and subbed for a month to level up faster on makeb, but he is now back to preferred.
But none of them whine about it. Because they know that everything in the game that they can use and play is FREE.
They didnt pay a single penny for it.
Whining about not getting everything for free is a bit self entitled.

And dont give me the "not everyone is paying with their parents money" line. I work for a living, and i choose to spend my money on being subscribed to this game.
Why?
Because i want this game to survive. And it wont if everyone gets to play it 100% free and never pay for anything.

Agree 100%

That's kind of the point, to get you to spend money. I'm always amused at people who think developers release F2P games out of sheer kindness. They do so to hook you enough that you end up spending money to remove some of those restrictions.

I can't speak for League, but LOTRO has quite a few restrictions as well. Limited inventory (which is a pretty big problem in that game), limited trait slots, gold limit, fewer skirmishes, and no automatic access to zone quests outside the starter zones. Now granted you can earn Turbine points in game, which is a nice system and something Bioware could possibly consider. But even so, it's pretty hard to go all the way through that game without spending money. Which is, again, the point of these hybrid systems.

Not sure why you think anyone is being forced to do anything. If I no longer enjoy the game, I cancel my subscription and stop playing. Simple as that.

Oh please, this tired excuse again. I stopped using my parents money 18 years ago. $15 a month is less than 20% of my cable bill; it's pretty much insignificant for me.

Other than perhaps the mail restrictions (I think free players should be able to mail among their legacy by paying for it) I think the restrictions are not that bad. The unlocks are expensive, yes, but free players in the market have been known to have deep pockets (an irony of the F2P market).

A lot of people want this game to survive. This game went free to play in less than a year because many people felt this game wasn't worth a subscription fee, and also because this game was over hyped, it's nothing to do with "oh well the industry is changing and people prefer f2p" none of that nonsense.

There's one alternative to the CM in order to keep this game alive financially...and that's to make subscription worth something.

But the issue is that this is a casual game, and people expected a bit more than just a theme park, on rails game. I think that 1 person who buys cartel coins "casually" is worth about 5 subscribers. There's no doubt that Bioware has got a lot of money from the cartel market.

This is the only star wars MMO out there, they shut down SWG for this, (remember SWG lost so many subscribers because it tried to copy WoW and make it casual). Star wars is probably one of the worlds biggest franchises, and I personally feel that EA are exploiting it with this game.

Gone are the days of traditional MMOs.

This is a gross exaggeration. The game went FTP so EA had something to show greedy investor/exec's.

Bio ware said it could maintain swtor with 250k subs. From what they've told us, they never dipped below 500k. Yet, here we are, FTP as they told us we would never go. Honestly, it was an excuse to churn out quick profit and sate greedy people at the expense of game quality.

It's no secret that gaming companies are pushing games towards the FTP model, since it nets more profit per pixel. This is not a consumer driven convention and its sad that companies think: " if we tell them FTP is the future. They will just accept it ".

Sad truth, we will, but the gamer is no better for it.

Again, you have no clue what pay to win is. You are falsely equating restrictions on players who get to play the game and pay absolutely NOTHING with those who pay a monthly subscription.

If subscribers had to pay extra money to get top tier gear in order to be competitive in end-game PvP or PvE...that is pay to win. That is the only definition of pay to win, regardless of what you seem to (erroneously) think.

Free to play has always had restrictions. They have restrictions because they get to play for FREE. If they pay the monthly sub or buy Cartel Coins to unlock the things they want to play, then those restrictions are removed...because they paid money. It isn't pay to win, it's called Pay to Play.

And to be quite honest, you have the option of buying unlocks off the GTN to remove the restrictions which means you get to play for free AND have restrictions removed.

Your arguments sound like nothing more than whining entitlement because you think you should have everything while paying nothing.

The humanity!