Some thoughts about cm, vanity items, and everything else...

Yeah ok but it doesn't mean people are trying to find self worth in a video game when they want to be unique and show off (in game)

No, it is not 100% certain that they are doing that. But If they get so worked up that they get angry about it, something is wrong, whatever that "something" is. It's no different from a child throwing a tantrum because he can't be the car in Monopoly. Yes, it's fun to be the car, but the game plays the same even if you have to be the dog.

I'm genuinely curious. What is it you actually do in the game, generally speaking? PvE, raiding, PvP, RP, alt-ing, etc.

You never seem to ever praise anything about TOR. You never even really defend anything either, you just tell other people that they are wrong and to cancel their sub.

Landscape PvE (I got my fill of instances and PUGging in DDO), crafting, GTN, some alting (only got 1 55). What do you do in the game?

You don't read very many of my posts, then. Some people lump me in with Andryah as a "Bio-defender."

Stop harassing me.

Mostly solo alt-ing/PvE, crafting, GTN, and RP. I do group runs in Heroics when possible, which is rarely possible since few people group. I don't mind FP's but can't stand the whole "watch it on YouTube and spacebar" mentality. Had my fill of PvP years ago. Never liked raiding because of the same reasons as FP's.

You use the same attack strategy, that's why you get lumped in with /ignored.

You never said please.

And I agree. This is one definition.
What I am trying to say is that every little thing Bioware adds, regardless of how "useless" it actually is, will most likely be important enough for some people to complain about the fact that they can only get it through the CM. So what would be an "acceptable" addition to the CM that would make everyone happy?

Expansions.

Really?
Like Makeb?
So you expect them to add stuff to their Market every 12-16 months?
And even if this model somehow made them enough money, how would people react? Because people didn't react that well when they made Makeb a paid expansion and they're certainly not taking it all that well when they add the slightest not 100% vanity item on the Market. Do you really think they'd understand and not feel like all content now gets put on the market?

Well this is what i would call common sense
Why is Treek available in the legacy and in the cartel market? What made them think that this is something that should we be able to buy with credits and the right legacy level?
I would call it common sense. It is common sense to say that not every speeder has to be in the legacy or at a vendor. I think we agree that Treek and the TaunTaun are special. One is a companion and one is an animal mount. They are not just armors and the tauntaun is significantly different to the mechanical mounts. It is the first mount of that kind in the game and something a lot of people ask for. So if we use common sense i would guess i would make most people happy if i enable them to buy it with CC if they don't want to put in the effort, or they play the game until they can unlock the legacy perk or any other non cm related option. If i want to make only one group happy and earn some more cash on the back of customer satisfaction i give you cc option only.
You can't make all people happy that is true but the problem right now is that people are not saying i miss this option why is it not possible to buy this with cc or this with credits. Instead they want to remove every option that does not fit into their own playstyle what makes it impossible to discuss those problems in a mature way.
Even in this thread people try to derail it just for the sake of arguing about something that hasn't even been mentioned. Or they don't even read because they have the attention span of a fly.
It is a bit sad that someone is trying to start a discussion that is not focused on bashing one group of the community but rather tryes to encourege the people to think about their position and every troll thread gets more post within the first minute.

Well as i don't want to talk about every aspect of the game and only this specific one i think 2 is enough to make a point. Of course you are right that there are many more but for what i wanted to say and to make it not even more complicated i reduced it to those 2 which exist in many variations and more or less radical in their passion for what they believe.

Well as you could read the basic question and what i ask for is that the community stands together to ask for other options to buy the special things that go into the cm market. As we can't really tell what is special to everybody i suggest to use common sense because if the devs want to bother with this topic (what they already did with Treek) they have to use common sense to know when something has to be outside of the cm.
There is no other way around it then stick their heads together and ask themselfes how the comunity will react if they put it only into the cartel market or also give players a option to unlock it by playing the game.
From what you wrote it reads like you would not support this option am i right with this assumption?

Also to the free cc coins well i save most of them but i spent them on a few different things from time to time.
The thing for me with the free stipend is that there is so much you could buy with the free stipend that you don't know on what to safe them first. And if you look for those 4 pieces of armor you want and start to safe your coins for several months there are already new armors out that get your attention. So this is a hole with no end and they dig it deeper so fast that it is unlikely to ever reach it.

Well i guess thanks for the constructive replys any comment is welcome. Well as long as it is not made by a troll.

Which is exactly why Bioware, and not the community, should be making this kind of decisions.
There is absolutely nothing the community can agree on. We can sit here and talk about PVP vs PVE, RPers vs Solo Players etc. but I think we can agree that everyone has their own idea of how the game should be and how big a part the Cartel Market should play in it.

However, we have no real evidence that our individual opinions are going to be better for the game in the long run. Bioware knows what people are willing to pay for, they have the subscriber numbers and they make their decisions based on both of these things. They obviously listen to feedback and try to steer clear from controversial things, but for the community there are no non-controversial issues.

Everything - from content focus to the CM - is judged by what every one of us would like to see in the game. So it's only natural that discussions are rarely productive, because people don't like putting themselves in other people's shoes and seeing things from their perspective.

As for Treek, I've said it before. I don't care about the whole thing. I have legacy level 50 and I feel like my reward for it is that I can buy it without paying real money. I'm satisfied with that. If someone's willing to pay real money to get her (which ultimately helps the game), I don't find it that bad, because it doesn't change the fact that I got her for free (meaning, without spending real money).