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frankiejo
07.15.2013 , 11:11 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
And the point MagicallyPuzzled is trying to make (and I've made in the past also) is that it's only officially. If the Wrath and a DC member ran onto the warfield and the DC member claimed control of the forces, the Wrath has no real authority to countermand him, ie the troops will follow the DC orders and basically ignore the Wrath. The Wrath may be officially Higher Ranking, but he is also officially OUTSIDE THE HIERARCHY, so unless he kills the offending DC member he is officially stuffed. And if he kills a member of the Dark Council, the rest of the Dark Council would gang up and kill him.

If fact when you became the Wrath they actually warned you to stay out of their way, not to interfere with them, not a position you take with someone you actually believe to be a superior.
I think it's safe to say they would follow the one who survived, as the wrath would just disembowel a counselor that tried to interfere with the emperor's wishes. While technically true that the Wrath may not have any command of his own, he exerts the emperor's will which makes his edict above any other in the Sith. If it came down to a political power structure it would only be a question of who would be replacing the Wrath's opponents on the council.
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07.15.2013 , 11:55 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
And the point MagicallyPuzzled is trying to make (and I've made in the past also) is that it's only officially. If the Wrath and a DC member ran onto the warfield and the DC member claimed control of the forces, the Wrath has no real authority to countermand him, ie the troops will follow the DC orders and basically ignore the Wrath.
What do you mean "only officially"? If DC would try to assume command when Wrath officially outranks him then what else he has left to hang on to? It is safe to assume he cannot possibly match Wrath's combat prowess. And the troops don't really know or care about these kind of Sith matters. When Wrath would chop DC's head off, the troops would just say "What is your command, my Lord?".
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AlexDougherty
07.15.2013 , 02:56 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Path-x View Post
What do you mean "only officially"? If DC would try to assume command when Wrath officially outranks him then what else he has left to hang on to? It is safe to assume he cannot possibly match Wrath's combat prowess. And the troops don't really know or care about these kind of Sith matters. When Wrath would chop DC's head off, the troops would just say "What is your command, my Lord?".
By "Only Officially" I mean that because the Wrath is outside the Hierarchy, his position is dependent on the Emperor's disposition, and has no powerbase or authority of his own, ie he is a Paper Tiger, ok not exactly a paper Tiger, since he clearly has strong force abilities and fighting skills. The Dark Council member on the other hand has his own power base and his own authority as a Dark Council member, he can command troops under his own authority. The Wrath on the other hand can only command troops with the Dark Council's permission or the Emperor's authority, the latter is absent for the moment.

Admittedly he could just kill anyone who disagrees with him, but when the Wrath is appointed the Dark Council actively warns him off, the threat is basically stay out of our way and don't interfere with us or else. This is a basic warning that if the Wrath starts attacking the Council, then the Council will tear him apart. Basically the only thing that will unite the Dark Council is an outside threat, the Wrath is such an outside threat.
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frankiejo
07.15.2013 , 03:08 PM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
By "Only Officially" I mean that because the Wrath is outside the Hierarchy, his position is dependent on the Emperor's disposition, and has no powerbase or authority of his own, ie he is a Paper Tiger, ok not exactly a paper Tiger, since he clearly has strong force abilities and fighting skills. The Dark Council member on the other hand has his own power base and his own authority as a Dark Council member, he can command troops under his own authority. The Wrath on the other hand can only command troops with the Dark Council's permission or the Emperor's authority, the latter is absent for the moment.

Admittedly he could just kill anyone who disagrees with him, but when the Wrath is appointed the Dark Council actively warns him off, the threat is basically stay out of our way and don't interfere with us or else. This is a basic warning that if the Wrath starts attacking the Council, then the Council will tear him apart. Basically the only thing that will unite the Dark Council is an outside threat, the Wrath is such an outside threat.
Let's get real for a moment, you comparing NPCs to PCs, if it came down to it the entire dark council is expendable compared to the player character, who is by necessity invincible. Thus the Wrath has the authority.
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07.16.2013 , 12:44 AM | #65
if you follows the laws of the empire and the sith the SW by all rights should be a member of the dark council. After all only the strong lead.

as for the Emperor: he is hiding growing his strength because there are more and more people that can kill him, he doesn't have scourge to protect him, and Revan(the whole reason the emperor uses voices in the first place) has escaped and is hunting him down.
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AlexDougherty
07.16.2013 , 06:48 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Cimota View Post
if you follows the laws of the empire and the sith the SW by all rights should be a member of the dark council. After all only the strong lead.

as for the Emperor: he is hiding growing his strength because there are more and more people that can kill him, he doesn't have scourge to protect him, and Revan(the whole reason the emperor uses voices in the first place) has escaped and is hunting him down.
Agreed, this would solve the problem, if the Wrath had his own power base, and authority, then the potential for friction would diminish.
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Through strength, I may gain power. Through power, I may gain victory.
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frankiejo
07.16.2013 , 12:44 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by AlexDougherty View Post
Agreed, this would solve the problem, if the Wrath had his own power base, and authority, then the potential for friction would diminish.
The strong lead, I think it's much more fitting for a sith who may be penultimate in power to not have to rely on others. This is a caste system that allows anyone to kill anyone else if it's convenient or necessary. A lightsaber is the only authority the Wrath needs. The council is free to object to his plans and set their forces against him, but they all know how Sith politics go, and they know they'd be signing their own death warrant by openly defying the Wrath of the emperor. armies and edicts are inconsequential in the face of true power. such is the sith way.
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