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Consolidated list of topics that BioWare should respond to.

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Andryah
07.14.2013 , 01:07 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
Sure, you might be pleased, but as ImperialSun/Driz wrote, parts of this community are extremely volatile for no reason.
Like I said, check this topic where Eric said "we placed it on known issues list" and got flamed for it
Exactly.
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Sir-Coffee
07.14.2013 , 01:10 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by Trollokdamus View Post
Add this two threads to your list please:

http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=650022 (feedback on the new Dark Ward animation)
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=651333 (Discharge animation bug)
Agreed, I will add those to the OP. Both threads have been ignored for a month(Or more).

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Sir-Coffee
07.14.2013 , 01:16 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Exactly.
Quote: Originally Posted by SithEBM View Post
Well, this reminds me of that one time in 12th grade where 4 people in my class called the substitute teacher fat and the entire class suffered for that.

Just because people act like they're in 12th grade doesn't mean the rest of us should suffer.

It's also part of EricMusco's job title to communicate to the community(community manager).
We understand that EricMusco will get flamed no matter what he does. Ignoring the problems(Or appearing to be ignoring the problems) is not the answer.

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Andryah
07.14.2013 , 01:18 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by MSchuyler View Post
His point was that PvP players think they are the center of the universe, but they represent a small percentage of players. If there were no PvP the vast majority of players would neither care nor notice. PvP players are off on their own little worlds anyway (literally). What really angers PvP players is that no one pays attention to them--including the vast majority of players.
Pretty much true for the players that are hardcore (or solely) PvP.

Thing is... if this game was designed as a PvP game.. they would have some ground to stand on. But it's not. PvP is badly implemented and badly deployed in this PvE game. Always has been. And an infinite number of gold responses to special interest threads is not going to change this in any way either.

This is in fact true for most PvE MMOs to be honest (not all but most). Yet avid PvPers keep insisting on jamming a square peg into a round hole, and attacking anyone that has the logic and sense to point out that the hole is round.

Quote: Originally Posted by SithEBM View Post
I'm not so sure about that.
Since you are prosecuting a Pro-PvP centric bias.. of course you disagree. You will never agree. You will argue in a manner that is divisive to the wider community of players (which are majority PvE, NOT PvP) because PvPers are vocal, often acidic about it, and like to PvP about their PvP experience.

This game has, since beta, marginalized PvP play. It will never formally abandon it as the game wants to appeal to a broad base of players at a broadly casual level (not hardcore at anything)... but people with high expectations of PvP are going to be perpetually disappointed by this game and are going to be rash and angry about it.. and vocal and demanding.. and divisive and pejorative to anyone who disagrees with them. The fact is PvE and PvP rarely coexist well in MMOs from a mechanics, balance, and content standpoint. There are a few exceptions in the genre.. but SWTOR is not one of them. Suck it up.. or find something better suited to your needs (this advice applies to everything about MMOs, not just PvP).
When you find yourself surrounded by hostile Clowns... always go for the "Juggler" first.

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Sir-Coffee
07.14.2013 , 01:29 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Pretty much true for the players that are hardcore (or solely) PvP.

Thing is... if this game was designed as a PvP game.. they would have some ground to stand on. But it's not. PvP is badly implemented and badly deployed in this PvE game. Always has been. And an infinite number of gold responses to special interest threads is not going to change this in any way either.


Agreed. You are 100% correct here(In the bolded response).
This is in fact true for most PvE MMOs to be honest (not all but most). Yet avid PvPers keep insisting on jamming a square peg into a round hole, and attacking anyone that has the logic and sense to point out that the hole is round.
Not sure about that last one(Although some do, so you're half right)


Since you are prosecuting a Pro-PvP centric bias.. of course you disagree. You will never agree. You will argue in a manner that is divisive to the wider community of players (which are majority PvE, NOT PvP) because PvPers are vocal, often acidic about it, and like to PvP about their PvP experience.
You don't know what I would do. Sometimes it is a L2P issue, and sometimes it isn't. An ability bug in warzones destroys the entire experience. It ruins aspects of PvE as well, so please don't try to sugar coat this bug.
This game has, since beta, marginalized PvP play. It will never formally abandon it as the game wants to appeal to a broad base of players at a broadly casual level (not hardcore at anything)... but people with high expectations of PvP are going to be perpetually disappointed by this game and are going to be rash and angry about it.. and vocal and demanding.. and divisive and pejorative to anyone who disagrees with them. The fact is PvE and PvP rarely coexist well in MMOs from a mechanics, balance, and content standpoint. There are a few exceptions in the genre.. but SWTOR is not one of them. Suck it up.. or find something better suited to your needs (this advice applies to everything about MMOs, not just PvP).
Agreed with this entire bolded paragraph.

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DeathDevilZero
07.14.2013 , 04:35 PM | #86
Bump..........

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Sir-Coffee
07.14.2013 , 05:44 PM | #87
Quote: Originally Posted by DeathDevilZero View Post
Bump..........
Thank you for your participation in this thread.

Hopefully we can get responses to some of the issues during the week.

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Blackardin
07.14.2013 , 06:23 PM | #88
I support the OP in his contention.




Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
That's just standard PvPer QQing. Nothing new to see here. Move along..
This individual lost credibility in his first five words....I think that's a sort of record? ;p
May the Schwartz be with you....

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Blackardin
07.14.2013 , 06:27 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post

Thing is... if this game was designed as a PvP game.. they would have some ground to stand on. But it's not. PvP is badly implemented and badly deployed in this PvE game.
This game was billed, from the beginning as both, no? I've yet to see any official report, information stating that this is a pve game with PvP added as a secondary implementation. If that is so, can you point me in the direction of said statement? I'd be interested in seeing that as it would explode a belief about this game that I've held true, even as a solid PVE Raider, and seldom a PvPer.
May the Schwartz be with you....

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MrJurgens
07.14.2013 , 06:33 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
This individual lost credibility in his first five words....I think that's a sort of record? ;p
This individual you speak of never has had any credibility to begin with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
This game was billed, from the beginning as both, no? I've yet to see any official report, information stating that this is a pve game with PvP added as a secondary implementation. If that is so, can you point me in the direction of said statement? I'd be interested in seeing that as it would explode a belief about this game that I've held true, even as a solid PVE Raider, and seldom a PvPer.
I notice a lot of the elite defenders of EAware and SWTOR tend to lean on the PvE side, but this is their "argument to end all arguments" so they anything else a PvP'er says means nothing since, according to them, this is a PvE-centric game with PvP as a mini-game.

I, too, would like to see them give us this information.