Swtor players make worse undercuts on GTN than wow players on AH

Too bad, so sad. You can't control what other people do. So you either roll with it or let it upset you. Your choice.

I would say the USSR; but they went under.

exactly.

and ain't that fun.

@ Branmacmuffin, if you had read anything that I've said, you would have seen the choice I made about putting up with this already. doesn't mean i must put up with it silently.

edited to add - heck even USSR wasn't that bad.

This is not a game mechanics issue that BWEA needs to address. It's an issue of player behavior totally within the context of legitimate game play.

If you want to spit into the wind, go ahead.

When I get undercut by 75%, I just buy the materials and repost them at a higher price, not hard to do. Players may think they are ruining things for others by undercutting so much on the GTN, but smart players will take advantage of them, buy their cheap stuff, and repost it at a higher price, making a lot more profit than the stupid player(s) who put that stuff up for so cheap.

I always laugh when I see an attempt to ruin the market by posting things way below what they are worth, they make me lots of credits.

The heck you say. Where did you acquire your awesome powers?

Even though I said the same thing earlier, I'll still give you a "This." And a QFT.

I was born with these awesome powers, which I use irresponsibly every day.

I list extremely low because credits are only useful for buying skills as you level up and for repairs when you die. Outside of that, they are 100% worthless. You get enough credits running your daily flashpoint to cover repair costs. So I put cheap items up on the GTN so other people that feel they need that item can get it at a cheap price. I don't care if people are playing the GTN game and rebuy it to sell for higher prices. No sweat off my balls and if they get some sort of pleasure from having all of the credits, more power to them.

If people want an item badly enough to buy it on the GTN, they will pay for it. Otherwise they will put in the legwork to get it through other means.

Now, obviously there are ridiculous prices that go up every so often... like a level 15 mod selling for 50k... but this is more of an excuse for impatient sellers than anything. Bad pricing is not very common because of the way the market works. If people are paying for an item, the price is good; there is no need to low it. But if it isn't selling, then undercutting happens until it DOES sell and the price re-aligns. You know your prices are too high if you put it up multiple times a week and no one buys it. Just because you look at a price and say "I wouldn't be able to afford that" doesn't make it ridiculous... it just makes you less wealthy than your average player.

Couple rules of thumb I go about when pricing stuff:

1. Don't bother selling any item if the going price is higher than the cost of mats to make it. (You'd be better off selling the mats. Plus, this is a good way to check how fair the prices are.)

2. If an item is up for sale for a steady going rate (meaning lots of sellers in the same price range), NEVER undercut by more than 1-2%. Doing so will only hurt yourself and other sellers (see #3).

3. Default listings of the GTN are sorted by lowest price first. Shoppers don't compare these prices, they just buy whatever is on the top of the list. So cutting a price by 10-20% isn't "giving anyone a deal" nor will it "make your item sell faster" it's shooting yourself in the foot and foolishly lowering the market value of an item (because other people are going to come in after you and lower it even further until your new price range is the new norm.)

4. If you're about to put up an item that you notice someone else has undercut for a ridiculous amount, do one of two things. First, you can buy the lowly priced goods and resell them. Second, let them have the top of the list and then list your items in line with the previous sellers. NEVER undercut the price further.

5. Undercutting a price by 1 credit is not disrespectful to anyone. You're respecting the previous seller's price range and you aren't causing the market value of the item to foolishly drop below where it's supposed to be. Not only that, but you claim the top of the list. ---Everyone is happy.

when did I EVER say that it was a game mechanic that bioware has to fix? they can no more fix this then they can fix players choosing to wear light willpower armor as juggs/ guardians. which within context of the game is a legitimate choice (read not against TOS). doesn't make it a good choice though.

of COURSE its a people issues >_> but I guess I'm not even allowed to say this much?

see the thing is... some people do what they do deliberately. and some people don't realize what they are doing. you don't know which one is which until you interact with them. silence however, gets you nowhere fast with either category, instead of just one of them.

now.. what bioware CAN fix is how GTN functions work in general. like being able to search by lowest per item price, instead of scrolling through 10-15 pages, mousing over each individual item. or ability to copy/paste a name of the item into search window instead of having to type it manually. or ability to specify size of the stack you want to sell instead of having to split it manually in your inventory before making listings. they don't have to, it's just minor quality of life improvements that they could consider working on.

meantime... yes. there are workarounds people being, well people. doesn't mean I have to be happy about using them, or not point out actions of others that create the need for those workarounds in a first place. is all.