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Class Representatives Are Here!
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Chickensevil
07.10.2013 , 05:32 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by EFSoupy View Post
One suggestion, change the format from 3 questions and 3 responses to actual discourse. I think there's a big difference between
Rep: There's an issue with shadow tanks..
Dev: our metrics say otherwise

And

Rep: There's an issue with shadow tank.
Dev: our metrics say otherwise
Rep: Shadow tanks are experiencing something different
Dev: What are they experiencing?
....

I think an actual discourse would require more but would also be more useful for both parties. Give them a stickied thread to discuss the issues, just devs and rep, it would let the devs express their standpoint without being mobbed by the foaming-at-the-mouth populace that is gamers.
Yes, something along this line. This should not be an interview, but rather a discussion. We are not journalists asking how you plan to make the world a better place, we are concerned citizens that actually want to live in a better world. Communication only works if there is dialog in both directions, not just a sounding board to bounce random thoughts off of (I have a wall that works quite well for that thank you!). *Insert some other appropriate analogy here*
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Julius_Caesar
07.10.2013 , 05:49 PM | #72
Will I be allowed to overthrow the system, and make myself Representative Dictator for life?
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Psychopyro
07.10.2013 , 06:15 PM | #73
OK, off the top of my head, I think this is a step in the right direction... I do see some things both good and bad in the way you have this set up.

First off, what is to stop monstrous guilds from having their entire guild be the representatives for each class? It would not be hard to imagine one group of people literally being able to control these positions. Then it becomes what that guild and/or guild leader thinks is the problems, not what each class as a whole thinks.

Second, what stops this from being a popularity contest? I know from personal experience that people get really upset when their favorite person does not get this type of position, or that the person voted in is popular and just ignores everyone but the people he/she thinks is cool.

Third, I think that if these people are going to step into this role need to be somewhat vetted a little bit. I really would hate to think that the favorite forum troll gets this type of responsibility (albeit as little as it is to a point) and turn it into a non cohesive rant.

Fourth, what is to stop a person from using multiple accounts to be "elected" multiple times?

In my honest opinion, you need to make this similar to the player correspondent/representative/senate (whatever you want to call it) positions they have at SOE for their games (past and present). I know you have people on staff that are intimately familiar with the system (or at least you did) as I am. People should be applying for this, not being given a popularity vote. These people should show some type of community leadership abilities on the forums and in game. These people should be helpful and courteous and not be rude or disrespectful to community members. They also should not have any in game or forum infractions that resulted in bans (even temporary.

These members should also be around to help players. A central, and knowledgeable voice that new players should be able to turn to for help. This is something that I think is truly lacking in this community. I so often see people ask questions in game or on the forums only to see multiple L2P comments or similar garbage.

Now I know having the other things adds stress to doing something you are essentially volunteering for, but it helps weed out those just looking to have their name in lights from those who just want to help.

And trust me, having spent a better part of almost 2 years at SWG doing the correspondent/senator gig, it can be stressful and it can make you a very unpopular person at times when things do not go the community's way. You have no idea the hate mail/PMs I would get on a daily basis because some change was made to the game against the wishes of the community I represented on the forums. It takes special people to a point to let that crap go. Some people, no matter how hard they try, can't help but to respond to those types of messages. Even without giving these people the extra responsibilities that I and others had over there, it's still going to happen when someone sees that their "issue" was not brought up and they think it's so important.

You could also have these people using their new found status as a soapbox. And trust me that it can be very tempting to do.

This program as you have it now, it at least appears to me, has been haphazardly put together and looks very sketchy (not sure if that is the best choice of word) as to how long it can last as is. I do think you all mean well, but I really think that someone may need to rethink this as a whole. I really think it needs more on BioWare's end of the stick here (so to speak).

Again to reiterate, I don't think this is a bad idea, I just think it needs tweaking.
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Stncold
07.10.2013 , 06:18 PM | #74
Great idea but what's the point we all know you guys will never do anything that's suggested and ignore it in favor of more cartel crap.
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SpaniardInfinity
07.10.2013 , 06:26 PM | #75
Just one thing I'm still curious about: does each mirror AC get one or two representatives. To clarify, will Juggernaut and Guardian share the same representative, or will they each have their own? If its the latter one, then maybe one of the factions could propose PVE questions and the other PVP so each part of the game is represented.

Either way, I look forward to seeing how this goes!
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MitchPB
07.10.2013 , 06:33 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by SpaniardInfinity View Post
Just one thing I'm still curious about: does each mirror AC get one or two representatives. To clarify, will Juggernaut and Guardian share the same representative, or will they each have their own? If its the latter one, then maybe one of the factions could propose PVE questions and the other PVP so each part of the game is represented.

Either way, I look forward to seeing how this goes!
If both specialized in PVP specs only that would create problems for the PVE side of things and the class would be misrepresented.
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MrJurgens
07.10.2013 , 06:43 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Spoken like a true minority interest.

It's more basic then even you are stating. ALL gameplay options are equally important. And history has shown in MMOs that PvPers don't care about PvE interests. To some degree the reverse is also true..but to nowhere near the extreme. But the reality is that good representatives for the classes will be people with a balanced view of PvE and PvP.. NOT the hardcore in either camp.

Like in politics.. so many things in the world run better under "centrist" principles.
To some degree?

The history is true on both sides. I've met tons of PvE players who HATE participating in PvP interests and refuse to do so. They both have extremes.

Spoken with true ignorance.

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leto_cleon
07.10.2013 , 06:45 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post

Any feedback, suggestions, comments, concerns about this new program you can feel free to post in this thread. Otherwise, feel free to head over to your Advanced Class subforum and get to nominating! As we get closer to voting, we will post a schedule on when each Class will be asked to post their top 3. Thanks!

-The Community Team
Quick questions. Would there be class balance chance coming in 2.4? If so, would the some of the issues raised in this program make it to 2.4? Or should we expect them to be addressed further down the line in a later patch?

Further, when class balance changes make it to the PTS, would it be possible to archive or transfer posts about class changes to the class forums instead of simply wiping them each time? Something like a class changes sub-forum archive might be helpful.

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oaceen
07.10.2013 , 07:00 PM | #79
i'm extremely happy about this actually.
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Solar_Breeze
07.10.2013 , 07:32 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
This is something we definitely talked about as a part of this program. For now our goal is to launch the Class Representatives and see how it goes. If it is well received on both sides and people like the dialog it creates. If it works, we will talk about expanding it, like you suggested above.

As you can see from this very thread some folks are hesitant about the concept. We too want to see how it goes before we roll it out too broadly!
If I could make 1 suggestion.

Don't have seperate reps for mirror classes. instead have a rep for each skill tree. i.e for Shadow/Sin have a Tanking rep and a dps rep.

for Merc have a DPS rep and a healing rep etc...

This would make way more sense then Shadow and Sin reps.
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