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Its time to give the F2Ps a voice on the forum

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Its time to give the F2Ps a voice on the forum
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branmakmuffin
07.08.2013 , 01:13 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocho-Quatro View Post
Unless I am wrong, F2P accounts can still VIEW the forums.
Everyone with access to the web can view them. But you knew that.

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Ocho-Quatro
07.08.2013 , 01:15 PM | #12
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMaulUK View Post
... without free to play, there would be no SWTOR...
You are likely correct... it's the Free to Play MODEL that "saved" the game. However, it's all about money. EA/Bioware isn't doing this for the fun of it, or to be really nice and give all of us something fun to do. They are in business to make MONEY. And changing to a free-to-play model took a failing game, and gave it an influx of CASH.

So, yes.... Free-to-Play saved the game. But it's not the F2P PLAYERS that did so.... It's the Preferred players, and even moreso the Subscribers, who open their wallets and spend EXTRA money on the market every month.

F2P players, who won't open their wallets to:
1- Buy a retail game before it goes free;
2- Be willing to pay for at least ONE month of a sub

are NOT the type of players who will become worthwhile and contributing members of the forums community (which is already sketchy enough as it is...)

If a F2P player REALLY wants to be able to post on the forums, they need to pony up the cash for a sub. Plain and simple. Don't rob the subscribers of one of the few remaining perks they have as a subscriber, to allow people to even further clutter up the forums with garbage. (How many posts in the first DAY do you think we would see, that would be links to how to buy in-game credits from farmers????? How much do you really hate the forum moderators?)
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07.08.2013 , 01:38 PM | #13 This is the last staff post in this thread.  
Should we allow Free-to-Play users on the forums? This is a question we also discussed internally during the transition. The problem isn't so much in the subscriber or free player's value in using the forums, but in the accessibility.

If a F2P player can just sign up for an account and begin posting, then anyone in theory could post on the forums fairly easily. The problem this creates is one of moderation. It would be very easy for someone to make an account and begin spamming the forums. If we ban that account, they just make another one immediately.

In theory allowing F2P players to post would even allow subscribing forum users who have been banned to create new accounts and continue to break forum rules without any real worry of consequences. We have definitely considered just opening a F2P forum, but it would be a little wild west in there and is unlikely something we would do. Again, that is due to moderation challenges.

Hopefully that makes sense. We realize it can be a little tricky for F2P players to get questions answered, but they still have the ability to do so in-game, on social media, and on our fan sites pages.

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uziforyou
07.08.2013 , 01:42 PM | #14
Quote: Originally Posted by Nemmar View Post
The voice says: Pay for the game id you want to have a voice in it.

No seriously, why should F2P have a voice as loud has those that commit to the game with their money?
A uniquely capitalist point of view. This is akin to saying "why should people have as much influence in how our government is run, they don't pay as much into it as I do?"

See the phalacy?
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07.08.2013 , 01:43 PM | #15
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Should we allow Free-to-Play users on the forums? This is a question we also discussed internally during the transition. The problem isn't so much in the subscriber or free player's value in using the forums, but in the accessibility.

If a F2P player can just sign up for an account and begin posting, then anyone in theory could post on the forums fairly easily. The problem this creates is one of moderation. It would be very easy for someone to make an account and begin spamming the forums. If we ban that account, they just make another one immediately.

In theory allowing F2P players to post would even allow subscribing forum users who have been banned to create new accounts and continue to break forum rules without any real worry of consequences. We have definitely considered just opening a F2P forum, but it would be a little wild west in there and is unlikely something we would do. Again, that is due to moderation challenges.

Hopefully that makes sense. We realize it can be a little tricky for F2P players to get questions answered, but they still have the ability to do so in-game, on social media, and on our fan sites pages.

-eric
I suggest adding a voice-over in-game to go with some of the text pop ups. A lot of new players see these as spam and don't read them. If there was a non-optional, one-sentence voice telling you at level 10 "You should visit your fleet to choose your advanced class!" every level until they did so, it would help a lot.

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07.08.2013 , 01:45 PM | #16
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Should we allow Free-to-Play users on the forums? This is a question we also discussed internally during the transition. The problem isn't so much in the subscriber or free player's value in using the forums, but in the accessibility.

If a F2P player can just sign up for an account and begin posting, then anyone in theory could post on the forums fairly easily. The problem this creates is one of moderation. It would be very easy for someone to make an account and begin spamming the forums. If we ban that account, they just make another one immediately.

In theory allowing F2P players to post would even allow subscribing forum users who have been banned to create new accounts and continue to break forum rules without any real worry of consequences. We have definitely considered just opening a F2P forum, but it would be a little wild west in there and is unlikely something we would do. Again, that is due to moderation challenges.

Hopefully that makes sense. We realize it can be a little tricky for F2P players to get questions answered, but they still have the ability to do so in-game, on social media, and on our fan sites pages.

-eric
Is there any way you could restrict F2P posting? Maybe 1 thread started per day, up to 5 replies? Would that be possible? It doesn't eliminate the ability to spam, but it certainly minimizes it.
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07.08.2013 , 01:47 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Is there any way you could restrict F2P posting? Maybe 1 thread started per day, up to 5 replies? Would that be possible? It doesn't eliminate the ability to spam, but it certainly minimizes it.
They could still make multiple free forum accounts, and post/spam as much as they wanted. Even if it was IP-limited, they could still use proxy workarounds.
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07.08.2013 , 01:48 PM | #18
Quote: Originally Posted by Ocho-Quatro View Post
They could still make multiple free forum accounts, and post/spam as much as they wanted. Even if it was IP-limited, they could still use proxy workarounds.
The effort required to do so would be beyond most "spammers" desires.
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07.08.2013 , 01:54 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Should we allow Free-to-Play users on the forums? This is a question we also discussed internally during the transition. The problem isn't so much in the subscriber or free player's value in using the forums, but in the accessibility.

If a F2P player can just sign up for an account and begin posting, then anyone in theory could post on the forums fairly easily. The problem this creates is one of moderation. It would be very easy for someone to make an account and begin spamming the forums. If we ban that account, they just make another one immediately.

In theory allowing F2P players to post would even allow subscribing forum users who have been banned to create new accounts and continue to break forum rules without any real worry of consequences. We have definitely considered just opening a F2P forum, but it would be a little wild west in there and is unlikely something we would do. Again, that is due to moderation challenges.

Hopefully that makes sense. We realize it can be a little tricky for F2P players to get questions answered, but they still have the ability to do so in-game, on social media, and on our fan sites pages.

-eric
How about opening the Support forums only? I think that is very important. Your Preferred players are also paying customers, and the support forums are the only viable option anyone has to get some support, sadly.

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07.08.2013 , 01:56 PM | #20
Quote: Originally Posted by uziforyou View Post
A uniquely capitalist point of view. This is akin to saying "why should people have as much influence in how our government is run, they don't pay as much into it as I do?"

See the phalacy?
No. But since your car is mine too, lemme borrow it.
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