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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?

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Encrypted Datacube: Story content in the cartel market?
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DeadEyeTucker
06.27.2013 , 03:32 AM | #441
Quote: Originally Posted by Sohaim View Post
i dont care if youre unable to see that those 9 Cubes are obviously a small quest chain that was removed from the game to be placed on the CM, but stop claiming that the Shroud personal datalog is nothing, because its on the same level as Companion quests.
That is purely speculative. There was more than enough time between RotHC and now for them to create that.

And as far as 'on the same level as Companion quests?' Ya, the bottom most level. I love talking to my companions, but when the quest to talk to them is nothing more than like 5 lines of dialogue from them and I have no response, it's a bit underwhelming. Actually, some might argue that the datacube scenes are less than the bottom level of a comp quest because it's not personal.

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zzoorrzz
06.27.2013 , 03:40 AM | #442
Quote: Originally Posted by DeadEyeTucker View Post
That is purely speculative. There was more than enough time between RotHC and now for them to create that.

And as far as 'on the same level as Companion quests?' Ya, the bottom most level. I love talking to my companions, but when the quest to talk to them is nothing more than like 5 lines of dialogue from them and I have no response, it's a bit underwhelming. Actually, some might argue that the datacube scenes are less than the bottom level of a comp quest because it's not personal.
The significance doesn't matter at all. Why do people keep saying it's not important? We don't care, not even the most marginal part of the story should be on CM.

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DeadEyeTucker
06.27.2013 , 03:47 AM | #443
Quote: Originally Posted by zzoorrzz View Post
The significance doesn't matter at all. Why do people keep saying it's not important? We don't care, not even the most marginal part of the story should be on CM.
I did not state that it's not important. I was simply disagreeing with the other guy's evaluation of the content. I for the most part agree that any sort of dialogue pertaining to the SWTOR lore and story should be kept off the CM.

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curtkram
06.27.2013 , 05:54 AM | #444
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

Our plan with the Encrypted Datacubes was simply to see if packs would be another avenue of getting story content in the game. It will always be the Cartel Market teams goal to look for new and interesting things to add into the Cartel Market which are not gameplay impacting (avoiding pay-to-win, etc.). With that being said, we have heard your feedback loud and clear on this and we have no plans to place the Datacubes in the Cartel Market in the future.

Thanks!

-eric
i certainly appreciate the communication, even on a controversial subject.

having said that, this is the most doom-and-gloom post i've seen on here in a long time. this game is doing so poorly that the cost of my subscription can't even cover small basic storylines anymore? i think it's kind of sad you aren't able to provide new content for subscribers without charging extra anymore.

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islander
06.27.2013 , 06:20 AM | #445
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

Our plan with the Encrypted Datacubes was simply to see if packs would be another avenue of getting story content in the game. It will always be the Cartel Market teams goal to look for new and interesting things to add into the Cartel Market which are not gameplay impacting (avoiding pay-to-win, etc.). With that being said, we have heard your feedback loud and clear on this and we have no plans to place the Datacubes in the Cartel Market in the future.

Thanks!

-eric
Good to hear you guys are listening.

If only you'd do that about PvP :<
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SithKoriandr
06.27.2013 , 07:33 AM | #446
Quote: Originally Posted by CrazyMcGee View Post
As far as I am concerned, my sub pays for me to play the game, with all the perks I get compared to F2P (which are numerous).

The amount I pay for my sub has not changed since the game started. So I started off paying X amount for Y amount of content.

But we are constantly getting new content. So now I am paying X amount for Y+++ content. Why wouldn't I expect to pay more?

Are you really saying BW should be spending all their time and energy making new content for the same amount of money? When does that happen in life?

You are paying the same amount of money as when the game first came out, but there is way more in there (and not just in the expansion, which we did pay for).

It may be a new concept, but businesses exist to make money and they don't do that by giving stuff away for free. These cubes were just a random fun little addition, like jawagrams. Or do you think you should get all those for free too?

If you didn't want to pay extra money for the datacubes, DON'T BUY THE DATACUBES. What was the problem with that scenario? Your game wouldn't have suffered without the datacubes. But because you and other people are spoiled and entitled, we all miss out. Thanks very much.

Plus, if you didn't want to pay real money, BW made them common enough that they go for about 20k on the GTN. If you are any kind of real player, 20k is nothing. Just buy them that way.
I don't know what MMOs you played, but the MMOs I've played, my sub covered additional story content like those cubes. In fact it covered far greater content updates than RotHC.

Did some actually have expansions as well? Yes. But the sub cost also included other updates and not just "Oh you get to log into the game"
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SithKoriandr
06.27.2013 , 07:38 AM | #447
Quote: Originally Posted by SithEmpress View Post
Then our game in a lot more trouble then it appears, as other F2P games mange to have shops and still give out basic thing like quests without putting them into gamble bags. Yes I known the cubes weren't a quest, but they are story content and could have easily been added to the game for subs in a fun little quest chain. The pack would still have sold great since they had over half a dozen neat items in them.

Iím not against them making money or the CM. Iíve spent a lot in it, particular the collection system. I just think they could give a few more things in the game or have the choice to get it in game. Like Life Days, all my other games mange to actual do an in game event while selling fun things in there store. Here all we could do was buy items, I just feel it gives the game a bad imagine.
Same. I've been spending 40-100 dollars extra a month on CM, so it's not like I'm against RNG Packs or the CM.

If anything, I think this proves they screwed up in the beginning and could've kept way more players if they started the game with adaptive gear, crystals just being aesthetic, and a few other things they haven't implemented yet (or won't bother to). Customization is just to important a part in MMOs imo to limit as much as they did.
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Jaing
06.27.2013 , 07:55 AM | #448
Quote: Originally Posted by EricMusco View Post
Hey everyone,

Our plan with the Encrypted Datacubes was simply to see if packs would be another avenue of getting story content in the game. It will always be the Cartel Market teams goal to look for new and interesting things to add into the Cartel Market which are not gameplay impacting (avoiding pay-to-win, etc.). With that being said, we have heard your feedback loud and clear on this and we have no plans to place the Datacubes in the Cartel Market in the future.

Thanks!

-eric
Key words are "not gameplay impacting" and "(avoiding pay-to-win, etc.)". Eric said those things, and the Eric gets to define them. We could apply what we think those phrases mean, but that ultimately isn't our call to make.

Here's my fear: a new flashpoint, that offers the same gear as other existing flashpoints, may not be considered "gameplay impacting" by the devs.

So a new flashpoint could be offered on the Cartel Market, random packs or straight-up purchase. Anything gotten from that flashpoint can be gotten from another flashpoint, so it's not pay-to-win and it may not be "gameplay impacting".

The new flashpoint may have a new story, but this whole occurrence has just prooved that "story" is now considered something that can be put on the Cartel Market.

If "story" is just considered fluff (since it doesn't affect gameplay), what's to stop future flashpoints or class/companion stories from being Cartel Market exclusive?

I could see there being an issue with Operations because Operations have lockouts and an extra operation would mean more opportunity for gear beyond the TfB/S&V weekly lockouts.

These are just my concerns since all we have to go on are phrases which are open to interpretation. Seems like many people assume that <what is said> means what they want. The past has taught us that with this game (and really whenever dealing with a business) always find the interpretation that lets the business do the least amount of work for the most amount of your money.
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Aries_cz
06.27.2013 , 09:00 AM | #449
Quote: Originally Posted by Jaing View Post
Key words are "not gameplay impacting" and "(avoiding pay-to-win, etc.)". /snip
Well, we can only hope that this backlash on story as minor as the cubes (yes, they are minor, but they are story, so not on CM) will send a message to BW that we are more than willing to pay for cosmetic and vanity stuff from CM (which I think shows on revenue from CM), but not for story and gameplay.
If BW wants to place Story on CM, I would be fine with it being like Section X, which is "free" for subscribers, but must be unlocked for F2P/Pref.
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curtkram
06.27.2013 , 09:34 AM | #450
Quote: Originally Posted by Aries_cz View Post
Well, we can only hope that this backlash on story as minor as the cubes (yes, they are minor, but they are story, so not on CM) will send a message to BW that we are more than willing to pay for cosmetic and vanity stuff from CM (which I think shows on revenue from CM), but not for story and gameplay.
If BW wants to place Story on CM, I would be fine with it being like Section X, which is "free" for subscribers, but must be unlocked for F2P/Pref.
and bioware is hoping that you get the message they're sending you.

which is obviously that they want new content to be released through the cartel market, preferably through gambling packs so a single purchase within the monthly allotment limits may not be enough. for whatever reason, there are apparently no longer enough subscribers to keep the lights on and servers running at bioware.