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Dual Spec. Still want it.


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Ratajack
06.26.2013 , 01:28 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Field respect is the ability to reset your talent points in the field. We had the ability to reset talent points from day 1, just not in the field.... you had to do it on the fleet. Field respect is not what they were talking about with Dual Spec. They may have implemented that as a bandaid to what people wanted, but its not what anyone meant.

Why are you arguing this? A large portion of people want it. It is a very convienient QOL feature. Is there something wrong with it? Does it hurt you or the game somehow?
Field repsec may not have been what people were envisioning when asking for dual spec. That does not mean that BW did not envision field respec as their answer to dual spec as it allows to respec without going to fleet, which was the major complaint of most of the people asking for dual spec. They wanted to be able to change specs on the fly, rather than having to go back to fleet to do so. BW may not have done it in the manner you wanted, but they DID implement as system that addressed the major complaint of having to go back to fleet to respec and not being able to respec on the fly.

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Deganji
06.26.2013 , 03:02 PM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Field repsec may not have been what people were envisioning when asking for dual spec. That does not mean that BW did not envision field respec as their answer to dual spec as it allows to respec without going to fleet, which was the major complaint of most of the people asking for dual spec. They wanted to be able to change specs on the fly, rather than having to go back to fleet to do so. BW may not have done it in the manner you wanted, but they DID implement as system that addressed the major complaint of having to go back to fleet to respec and not being able to respec on the fly.
You have a perfectly valid point. We are glad that Bioware added field respec, it's great. It's been a while since they added it though, and maybe it's time to streamline a bit more. We're not asking for it to be like WoW, just more user friendly. Can you really say you enjoy replacing you spec points, and reorganizing your hotbars? At least we can save UIs, if we couldn't, it would be even a bigger nightmare.

Maybe a save function for hotbars added to the UI save feature, and maybe a way to save spec layouts. Not much to ask for.

It may be simple for some of you to switch, but as a healer I use completely different UI and hotbar layouts compared to when I'm DPSing. Groups aren't going to wait for me to respec, they are going to fly right into the mobs without a second thought.

Also want to say I'm totally against advanced class changing. You are what you picked, just like any other MMO. Advanced classes need to be picked at level one to end that debate. Not what we are asking for at all.

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Vinak
06.26.2013 , 04:08 PM | #64
This is one of those features that should have been in game a long time ago.

It would work great as part of a 3 tiered legacy system.

Tier 1 unlocks respec like what is already implemented in game.
Tier 2 allows you to have two preset builds to switch between.
Tier 3 would allow you to have an additional 1-2 presets.
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SecretScientist
06.26.2013 , 04:19 PM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Deganji View Post
You have a perfectly valid point. We are glad that Bioware added field respec, it's great. It's been a while since they added it though, and maybe it's time to streamline a bit more. We're not asking for it to be like WoW, just more user friendly. Can you really say you enjoy replacing you spec points, and reorganizing your hotbars? At least we can save UIs, if we couldn't, it would be even a bigger nightmare.

Maybe a save function for hotbars added to the UI save feature, and maybe a way to save spec layouts. Not much to ask for.

It may be simple for some of you to switch, but as a healer I use completely different UI and hotbar layouts compared to when I'm DPSing. Groups aren't going to wait for me to respec, they are going to fly right into the mobs without a second thought.

Also want to say I'm totally against advanced class changing. You are what you picked, just like any other MMO. Advanced classes need to be picked at level one to end that debate. Not what we are asking for at all.
+1

A quick-switch multi-spec option is like putting wheels on luggage. Wheels probably seemed like a silly and unnecessary convenience. It requires new design, adds cost and is not required for luggage to function as intended. In fact, we even put a man on the moon before the first suitcase rolled into Macy's.

But nowadays, doesn't it really seem like a great idea?

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Soluss
06.26.2013 , 04:39 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Field repsec may not have been what people were envisioning when asking for dual spec. That does not mean that BW did not envision field respec as their answer to dual spec as it allows to respec without going to fleet, which was the major complaint of most of the people asking for dual spec. They wanted to be able to change specs on the fly, rather than having to go back to fleet to do so. BW may not have done it in the manner you wanted, but they DID implement as system that addressed the major complaint of having to go back to fleet to respec and not being able to respec on the fly.
You are against making it even better, why? You still haven't answered that.
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Soluss
06.26.2013 , 04:42 PM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Suntaru View Post
A large portion? Are you sure? The only ones I have seen wanting it is these groups here on the forums. The players that frequent the forums are a minority because the majority never come to the forums. If Bioware really wants to find out what the majority wants, They should send out a questionaire with like 20 items off their "Wall of Crazy". I think that would be more fair that changing things that possibly only a vocal minority want.. I think that would be fair for all parties
Yes, I am sure that a large portion of the playerbase would like having a dual spec option. You know how many MMO players utilize that very feature? Proof is in the pudding. If its there then people will use it and be glad its there.
James Ohlen: " For 2012 we really want players to feel like they're getting their money's worth. You're going to see so many changes and additions to the Star Wars Universe. It's going to be impressive. We have our Update 1.2 coming in the next week and then after that it's going to continue to roll out month after month. It's exciting."

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Ratajack
06.26.2013 , 05:04 PM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by Soluss View Post
Yes, I am sure that a large portion of the playerbase would like having a dual spec option. You know how many MMO players utilize that very feature? Proof is in the pudding. If its there then people will use it and be glad its there.
No, I do not and neither do you.

You can say that many of the people you play with use that feature, but that would only be your limited personal experience and no more accurate than my limited personal experience. The people that I played with in games that had a "dual spec" feature very seldom actually switched specs, although many of them had a set "second spec". They just almost never used that second spec.

As for groups not waiting for you to respec, I can only relate my own experiences again. If I have to respec, I simply let the group know that I have to respec and have never had a group refuse to wait the less than a minute it takes me to respec and change my action bars.

I'm not against "making it better", but I think the system we have works much better than the "dual spec" that WOW has. That does not even include the fact that the WOW forums are seldom without at least one thread clamoring for triple, quadruple or even more specs. In this thread alone, we already have people who want more than "dual spec". Do we really need to go down that path and tie up more database resources to save multiple specs so people can have a "one click does it all" because they can't be bothered to reallocate their talent points?

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Deganji
06.26.2013 , 06:09 PM | #69
You win. The current field respec is miles beyond what any other game has. We are all just lazy. How dare we want features in a mutlti-million dollar MMO that most every successful MMO since 2006 has had. How dare we!

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Vinak
06.26.2013 , 06:22 PM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
No, I do not and neither do you.

You can say that many of the people you play with use that feature, but that would only be your limited personal experience and no more accurate than my limited personal experience. The people that I played with in games that had a "dual spec" feature very seldom actually switched specs, although many of them had a set "second spec". They just almost never used that second spec.

As for groups not waiting for you to respec, I can only relate my own experiences again. If I have to respec, I simply let the group know that I have to respec and have never had a group refuse to wait the less than a minute it takes me to respec and change my action bars.

I'm not against "making it better", but I think the system we have works much better than the "dual spec" that WOW has. That does not even include the fact that the WOW forums are seldom without at least one thread clamoring for triple, quadruple or even more specs. In this thread alone, we already have people who want more than "dual spec". Do we really need to go down that path and tie up more database resources to save multiple specs so people can have a "one click does it all" because they can't be bothered to reallocate their talent points?
I don't personally use this feature therefore nobody should have it available to them.

The "database resources" would consist of a few kb file telling the server where spec points belong when you switch spec.

I personally switch spec almost daily. Having the ability to just switch between the two would be a great QOL feature for me.
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