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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Vhaegrant
06.25.2013 , 12:23 PM | #1921
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Devs will do it, or they won't. End of story.
Very true. Part of this is based on demand for a feature and the reasoning behind it.

I would be very interested to see if the metrics support my assumption that a large part of the player base is made up from casual players that find it hard enough to level one character (although far easier in SWTOR than many other MMOs I have encountered) and leave the game once they realise they do not enjoy the experience they have chosen rather than reroll from start.

Only the devs have access to this sort of depth of information though.

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Hizoka
06.25.2013 , 12:30 PM | #1922
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Except, we've shown time and time again how it IS different.
Assasin --> Sorc is NOT the equivalent of Priest --> Rogue
how can you say it is not???? Give a real answer not that garbage of they share the same story BS.

A sorc is a ranged caster DPS with the ability to heal, and assassin is a melee DPS with teh ability to stealth and tank. They are complete opposites in terms of play style and mechanics. They have nothing in common other then their story, they are different classes.

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Kilora
06.25.2013 , 12:48 PM | #1923
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
how can you say it is not???? Give a real answer not that garbage of they share the same story BS.

A sorc is a ranged caster DPS with the ability to heal, and assassin is a melee DPS with teh ability to stealth and tank. They are complete opposites in terms of play style and mechanics. They have nothing in common other then their story, they are different classes.
Assasin --> Sorc is NOT the equivalent of Priest --> Rogue

Assasin + Sorc
  • Share a significant number of spells
  • Wear the same armor
  • Same primary stat
  • Similar secondary stats (for DPS)
  • Same bass class, story, companions, buff

Priest + Rogue
  • Share no spells
  • Different armor
  • 100% different primary stat
  • 100% different secondary stats
  • Absolutely no similarities whatsoever
Lets take it one step further. Another WoW Example --
Mage + Warlock
  • Ranged DPS
  • Mana as resource
  • Same primary stats
  • Same secondary stats
  • Similar spells
  • Same armor
So -- why are Mage + Warlock different classes? Would you accept a swap between those?

They DO share the same story. That is the entire point -- the reason most people who WANT an AC change actually want it. Because they don't want to re-play the same lackluster story to be able to enjoy the character they have.

But, as I said -- none of your arguments hold any weight -- nor do any of the other sides areguments. Devs have stated they are considering it -- and it will likely be added to the game, but with no timetable or estimates. THAT is the end of story.

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Hizoka
06.25.2013 , 12:51 PM | #1924
Quote: Originally Posted by Kilora View Post
Assasin --> Sorc is NOT the equivalent of Priest --> Rogue

Assasin + Sorc
  • Share a significant number of spells
  • Wear the same armor
  • Same primary stat
  • Similar secondary stats (for DPS)
  • Same bass class, story, companions, buff

Priest + Rogue
  • Share no spells
  • Different armor
  • 100% different primary stat
  • 100% different secondary stats
  • Absolutely no similarities whatsoever
Lets take it one step further. Another WoW Example --
Mage + Warlock
  • Ranged DPS
  • Mana as resource
  • Same primary stats
  • Same secondary stats
  • Similar spells
  • Same armor
So -- why are Mage + Warlock different classes? Would you accept a swap between those?

They DO share the same story. That is the entire point -- the reason most people who WANT an AC change actually want it. Because they don't want to re-play the same lackluster story to be able to enjoy the character they have.

But, as I said -- none of your arguments hold any weight -- nor do any of the other sides areguments. Devs have stated they are considering it -- and it will likely be added to the game, but with no timetable or estimates. THAT is the end of story.
ok hunters have every buff in wow does that make them the same as every class??? warriors and DKs share teh same gear and stats are they the same class??? priest warlocks and mages use the same gear are they they same class? Monks and rogues share the same stats are they the same class?? The answer is no. Assassins and sorcs are not the same class... the just of what they want is they want to level one class and get another one free because they are entitled lazy piles of crap that have never had to earn something. If they add a class change to this game they might as well shut it down because they will lose nearly all of their subbers and this game needs subbers to stay open.

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Kilora
06.25.2013 , 01:04 PM | #1925
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
the just of what they want is they want to level one class and get another one free because they are entitled lazy piles of crap that have never had to earn something. If they add a class change to this game they might as well shut it down because they will lose nearly all of their subbers and this game needs subbers to stay open.
Right now, you should remove yourself from the forums and take a break. Possibly seek help.

Do NOT assume you know why people want this. I'd appreciate it because I HATE playing my juggernaut. Then again, I may hate Mara just as much. I'm also being smart, and rolling the opposite AC on the opposite faction -- so, different AC and different storyline.

Secondly, stop calling people entitled and lazy just because you disagree with someone. You're acting like a 5-year-old telling other people they don't deserve anything because you don't want them to have it. Grow up, please.

So -- should I not be able to rename my toon? What about purchasing Cartel Packs and selling them for credits? Isn't that "lazy and entitled"? Was asking for field-respec lazy and entitled? Quick Travel?

Just because YOU don't like something, doesn't make it bad. I've seen absolutely NO evidence that a significant number of people would leave over this. NONE. You making up wild stories isn't helping your case.


IF you can have an actual discussion on the merits of AC Change, I will continue a discussion with you. Merely saying "they're different classes!!!!111" isn't an argument -- because what the Devs have already said shows that this particular point does NOT matter to them. There is no evidence whatsoever that this would have a negative impact on the game.

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Ratajack
06.25.2013 , 01:11 PM | #1926
Quote: Originally Posted by Vhaegrant View Post
You did level a class to max level though and you are definately not getting an additional character. This should balance out any feelings of exclusivity some players seem so attached to. I appreciate there are many players out there that don't have an abundance of free time and I'm quite happy to discuss the potential to open up options that allow them a little more flexibility in how they play the game. It really has no impact on me personally what so ever. I can't help but wonder why you feel so threatened by this suggestion?




You may have missed my earlier post. I have played all the classes (or their mirror). I class myself as an average player able to get through most content of suitable level and equipped for it. It is not a difficult swap between melee and ranged, any more than it is between a change in role from tanking to DPS or DPS to healing. Learn the basics and you are set. This may be less relevant if you are trying to get a position in a top end raiding group or ranked PvP team, but lets be honest there are many more hoops required for them to jump through and the most important part is whether the player is actually capable or not. That is easily demonstrated in game by running a HM FP or two with them.




Please remember that not every one that comes to SWTOR has come from an MMO background. There are many reasons for playing, because they liked KOTOR, because they want to play the same game as their friends, because they are fans of Star Wars. None of these reasons predicts a vast knowledge of the roles you can be expected to play in an MMO.
Those gamers with a strong sense of roleplaying also have a tendancy to place story at the forefront of character selection. Given the way in which Bioware constructed the class structure (primarily one of limited resource to create multiple classes that other MMOs offered while keeping the number of individual stories to a managable level).
The Story and way in which you identify with your character is not pathetic and is very real, just look at the lengths and expense some players will goto to get their character looking how they want them to.

From your tone and the points you make it strikes me you don't focus on the story so much, you are a pure mechanics kind of person, which is fine, but it's not the only way of looking at the game and I would ask you to try and be respectful of the view point of others.
Please remember that no matter whether or not those playing this game came from an MMO background, this is still an MMO and there is no reason to try to turn it into something else.

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Soxbadger
06.25.2013 , 01:13 PM | #1927
Id actually pay CC for this on my bounty hunter. I do not play alts much but back before 2.0 I needed a break from always being a sorc healer and thought Id pick a class that had no healing option so that Id never have to heal. I leveled up a BH to level 30. I then realized that it was a waste for my AC to be tank/dps because I was never going to tank and I was just frustrated when I created the BH instead of the merc.

Now months later my BH just sits there because I dont really see a point in grinding it out until endgame. I also dont really feel like completely redoing chapter 1 of the story.

So being able to switch my class would be great advantage. A fair compromise could be perhaps offering AC changes at the end of each chapter. Because I hate to say it, but you really dont know the class at level 10.

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Ratajack
06.25.2013 , 01:16 PM | #1928
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
Well, Hizoka said that the devs have the only view that matters. Therefore, if the the devs changed the game to allow AC swap, that would be the only view that mattered. According to Hizoka.
If the devs changed the game to allow class changes, that would be their decision. It WOULD cost BW subs, I'm sure, as many of the players are against allowing class changes. Allowing class changes is much more of a traditional MMO no-no than allowing cosmetic changes.

Whether they stand to make more from a quick cash grab then they will lose in subs, who knows?

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Ratajack
06.25.2013 , 01:18 PM | #1929
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Who wants a new max level character?

Please quote someone that said they want that. Oh wait you can't and you are moving goal-post to try to help what litle argument you thought you had. You failed.

When you level a toon up to 55 and change AC's, does that add a fresh new level 55 character in your character slot for the account? Please answer this.

Does changing class give you a character of a class which you did not level, even if you no longer have the class you leveled?

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Kilora
06.25.2013 , 01:21 PM | #1930
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
you do not seem to understand the difference in a quality of life change and giving someone a max level class. But hey not everyone can be of average intelligence.
Correct. Clearly you are not of average intelligence, and you don't quite make just-below average either.
Just stop. You are resorting to attacking PEOPLE because of their OPINIONS. That is quite immature.

YOU don't think it is QoL. Fine, but realize that is subjective. I suggest you look the term up, as you clearly don't understand what it means.

YOU think it is giving someone a max level class. Fine, but realize that is subjective. I suggest you look the term up, as you clearly don't understand what it means.

You need to learn to accept that other people have opinions, and you have no right to tell them they are wrong for having them. You have no right to dictate how other people define QoL, nor do you have any right to dictate how others play the game -- ESPECIALLY when it has no impact on you at all.

AS I SAID BEFORE:

The devs have already stated this is a possibility, and we will probably see it in game at some point. Regardless of how you feel, they have spoken. Now, we will either see it added to the game, or not. Either way, your opinion on whether or not it is a full-class change is pointless.