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Jandi
06.23.2013 , 06:12 PM | #11
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
Or just to leave the option avaliable, he could just have easily died. Everything in-universe points to his death.
In beta he did die by leaving a corpse behind but the Revanites raged and raged and raged and raged and raged and they changed it. It has nothing to do with plans to use him in the future.

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BradTheImpaler
06.23.2013 , 10:17 PM | #12
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What do you guy think of the novel 'The Old Republic Revan'? I have just finished reading it. Some people criticize the ending of Revan and the Jedi Exile. But i found it not that bad. Another thing is do you think that the story of Revan and Jedi Exile have finished after what have been shown in this game? Revan just disappeared after being defeated in Foundry Flashpoint. Will there be more? Where can i find?
Where do I start:

1. Karpyshyn ignored so much of KOTOR 2 and it showed.
2. "T3, go help Revan!"...Really? The Exile was supposed to be a master tactician. It would have made a heck of a lot more sense for T3 to guard the door while she helped Revan, but no, she decided it was smart to send a utility droid to take on the Emperor of the Sith Empire.
3. If the Exile didn't trust Scourge, she shouldn't have had her back turned to him.

I realize the Emperor had plot armor, but it could have been Revan and the Exile alone fighting the Emperor. They could have sensed his betrayal at the last moment and been forced to kill him. It would have made a lot more sense than some random weak upstart literally stabbing the Exile in the back. Aside from that, the Exile's character was not grasped very well.

Not to mention the lack of closure for some of the companions. OK we saw Canderous, T3, Bastila, and maybe Carth, and we found out that Mission & Zaalbar are running some sort of business. We also know what happens to at least most of the Exile's companions. What about Jolee & Juhani?
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Jemfisto
06.24.2013 , 02:21 AM | #13
I loved it and will defend this book to the end. My favorite SW novel along with Path of Destruction.

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RandyAB
06.24.2013 , 02:35 PM | #14
The novel wasn't bad by any means, but I found myself a little disappointed because I had very high expectations. I actually found myself enjoying Scourge's part of the story more than Revan's. Although in fairness, I regularly find myself enjoying Sith-centric stories more than Jedi.

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Aurbere
06.24.2013 , 04:31 PM | #15
The novel completely disregarded previous canon elements, which means that it is bad. As a stand-alone book, it's okay, but in the context of a greater universe, it's pretty bad.

Also, compare it to other Star Wars novels and the writing pales in comparison.
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TheSelkie
06.25.2013 , 02:22 AM | #16
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The novel completely disregarded previous canon elements
Such as? Genuine question, I haven't read much of the EU stuff but I didn't pick up on anything that seems too out of sync with the games. I thought it was odd that there seemed to be plenty of jedi in the novel but they were all gone by kotor 2, but other than that everything seems fine to me.

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Beniboybling
06.25.2013 , 02:14 PM | #17
Quote: Originally Posted by TheSelkie View Post
Such as? Genuine question, I haven't read much of the EU stuff but I didn't pick up on anything that seems too out of sync with the games. I thought it was odd that there seemed to be plenty of jedi in the novel but they were all gone by kotor 2, but other than that everything seems fine to me.
It gave an extremely poor representation of the current state of the Republic. After the Jedi Civil War the Jedi Order is in tatters and the Republic are broken, all the while an invisible threat is destroying what little remains. Revan doesn't seem to touch on any of this. You wouldn't think for a moment that they were in the midst of the Dark Wars.

One other thing that bugged me if how Revan was treated. Yes he's saved the Republic and all but would he really go back to being a Jedi? Become a Master? Even if the Jedi Order did accept him would he really want to go on that path again? To me, after the journey he has undertaken, I think Revan was beyond that, I think he should have disappeared straight of the bat. None of this happy families business with Bastila Shan.

And then we have Revan's encounter with Atris, I mean, what? It read like some kind of high school spat, not a confrontation between the zealot Jedi Historian who condemned Revan and the Revanchists as traitors, and a former Sith Lord who mercilessly slaughtered and converted countless Jedi. These guys literally should have been at each others throats, lightsabers drawn!

Basically, the intial chapters just felt odd and out of place with the climate of the current era. The rest IMO was good, though I can't say I was a fan of Meetra being 'nerfed' and no real attempt was made to explore anyone's character other than Scourge - who I didn't find overly compelling.

Overall good story, but the little things let it down big time.

P.S. And calling Revan's son Vaner? I mean, really?

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Aurbere
06.25.2013 , 02:28 PM | #18
There's more to it than that, Beni, but you covered the majority of my complaints.
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"Your only hope to survive is to give in to the rage boiling within you, to acknowledge the Dark Side you deny, and tap into it!"--Darth Tyranus

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Airmo
06.25.2013 , 03:47 PM | #19
Quote: Originally Posted by Beniboybling View Post
One other thing that bugged me if how Revan was treated. Yes he's saved the Republic and all but would he really go back to being a Jedi? Become a Master? Even if the Jedi Order did accept him would he really want to go on that path again? To me, after the journey he has undertaken, I think Revan was beyond that, I think he should have disappeared straight of the bat. None of this happy families business with Bastila Shan.

And then we have Revan's encounter with Atris, I mean, what? It read like some kind of high school spat, not a confrontation between the zealot Jedi Historian who condemned Revan and the Revanchists as traitors, and a former Sith Lord who mercilessly slaughtered and converted countless Jedi. These guys literally should have been at each others throats, lightsabers drawn!
What's wrong with him going back to the Jedi? Isn't that what Kotor was all about? Redemption, fixing his mistakes and going back to light and being a Jedi again? Wasn't he not on the best of terms with the Council anyway?? Also I liked Revan and Bastila havin' a happy life together, they were totally into each other in game, least the way I played. :P

I don't really remember exactly what happened, haven't read it in a while, but as you say Revan is a former Sith Lord who slaughtered/converted Jedi while he was turned to the Dark Side. He was a Jedi again, so I don't know why he would want to start a fight. Self defense sure but, yeah..
"Darkness is a friend, an ally. Darkness allows us to understand others, to see what they value when they believe no one else is looking. It allows us to be honest with ourselves, to express those values that we would disavow in the light. The light blinds us. It is only in the dark that we see clearly."

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LadyKulvax
06.25.2013 , 03:59 PM | #20
Which follows the god awful law of redemption that Lucas and Authors have come out with, Vader was the second biggest war criminal in the entire galaxy just behind his majesty the Emperor, but it's alright cus at the end he threw the guy he already hated down an elevator shaft and saved his own son.

Totally makes up for committing genocides all over the galaxy, if there is one thing I hate about Star Wars it's how sickeningly cheesy the redemption angles can be, these people became Sith and took part in the butchering of sometimes even billions, a few good deeds don't cancel out such horrific war crimes.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
Who else would have the strength to do what I've done? Who else but me could come this far? I am Revan."
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