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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Jeweledleah
06.23.2013 , 12:04 PM | #1831
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
That dev post happens to be the LATEST dev post to mention AC's as fundamentally different class designs. Even the more recent post which they mention the possibility of allowing AC changes did not in any way contradict their earlier statement or give any indication that they no longer saw the AC's as fundamentally different class designs.

We have pointed out the differences in class skills and play styles, such as assassin being a stealthy melee DPS/tank and sorcerer being a ranged DPS/heals. In fact that assassin in melee in all three specs, just like a rogue in WOW, and the sorcerer is ranged in all three specs, just like a priest in WOW.

In fact, is there any single class (AC) that allows to respec with in that class and go from ranged to melee or from melee to ranged? Is there any single class (AC) which would need to change their armor as a result of a respec?

Ranged vs melee and different armor types are almost always an indication of different classes.

Look at how the game lists your class. Look at your guild roster, do a /who, select a character. You will see assassins, sorcerers, powertechs, mercenaries, marauders, juggernauts, snipers and operatives on the imperial side if you look at classes. If the classes are inquisitor, warrior, bounty hunter and imperial agent, why are they not listed as such in your guild roster?

One more point, as has been asked before, if we chose AC at character creation, would this discussion even be happening?
I have already made my distaste for comparing 2 different games as if one should be precedent for another - clear, but if you wish to go that way - druid. tank, healer, melee dps and ranged dps. using different mainstat no less. boomkin (ranged dps variety of a druid) plays extremely differently from kitty (melee dps) and yet - same class.

the only class in TOR that has different armor rating depending on specialization is warrior/knight. everyone else wears the same armor, uses the same main stat.

your specialization is shown, once you chose it, yes, but it doesn't remove the fact, that you are still your base class. different class designs, not different classes. you can interpret that statement in many ways. including the way I'm interpreting, that advance classes are fundamentally different playstyles, even while being the same class.

and yes, if we got to pick out our class at character creation, this conversation might not be happening in all likelihood. if developers didn't say they were considering allowing AC change, this conversation might not be happening. but we're talking about what ifs. my what ifs are as valid as your what ifs, and trying to dismiss them out of hand just keeps us in this circular loop.

learning a new play style is learning a new playstyle.

I think there's more benefits than drawbacks to allowing AC change (at least with my preferred mode of - at any level, with no xp penalty but only twice per character with one month cd per change). so I'd rather address the drawbacks constructively - as in, how can we minimize or even remove their impact. which is what I've been attempting to do in my conversation with Lord Artemis.

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LordArtemis
06.23.2013 , 12:59 PM | #1832
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
I think there's more benefits than drawbacks to allowing AC change (at least with my preferred mode of - at any level, with no xp penalty but only twice per character with one month cd per change). so I'd rather address the drawbacks constructively - as in, how can we minimize or even remove their impact. which is what I've been attempting to do in my conversation with Lord Artemis.
I appreciate the dialog.

I was thinking about ways to prevent abuse of the system if it was open to all levels. What if it was limited to a finite number of changes per account? You could change any AC into another at any point, but at one point you would run out of uses. Perhaps that would discourage FOTM switching and forced switching from guilds and the like.

Perhaps an account maximum of 6 switches?

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TridusSWTOR
06.23.2013 , 02:29 PM | #1833
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Shadow and sage are two different classes. Leveling a shadow to max level does NOT entitle you to play that character as a sage. You leveled as a shadow, not a sage.
They are two difference ADVANCED CLASSES, there is a difference between those two.

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MajikMyst
06.23.2013 , 03:11 PM | #1834
Quote: Originally Posted by Xeperi View Post
I think a good enough reason is that people want to. .
I am sure people would want a god mode button.. Is that enough reason?? People wanting something is the basis for the discussion.. It has to be good for the game and Bioware's pocket book for it to happen..
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MajikMyst
06.23.2013 , 03:13 PM | #1835
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I read it too and saw that none existed. Everything below the "Other than your link, nobody else has said that chance to hit on with force as decreased.. So I will trust other websites.. You think and believe what you want.. " comment did not exist..
You are a liar and you know it.. It sucks to be proven wrong but it happens.. That post has always been there..
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Mindshard
06.23.2013 , 03:17 PM | #1836
Honestly I think you should pick your AC at character creation and either it automatically happens behind the scenes at 10, or it starts right from lv1.
Sometimes I wish my merc was a PT, but then I remember in a single double XP weekend you can go from 1-55 and it becomes a non-issue.

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MajikMyst
06.23.2013 , 03:26 PM | #1837
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
They are two difference ADVANCED CLASSES, there is a difference between those two.
There is a difference between an apple and an orange, yet both are fruits.. Your point being??

There is a difference between a shadow and a sage, yet both are consular.. Your point again was??

Shadow and sage are your classes.. There are 16 classes in the game.. Not 8 classes..
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MajikMyst
06.23.2013 , 03:40 PM | #1838
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Shadow DPS and Sage DPS need accuracy now, how can you not know this?

Learn to accept certain truths from posters. More often than not, they can educate you more than you can provide anything meaningful to them.

You are a troll.
I am not the troll here.. I am not the one lying about a post or claiming that someone edited a post because they aren't masture enough to just admit they missed it?? I am not childish enough to jump into a discussion that doesn't inolve me and lie about a post.. You want to see a troll?? Look at the people that fit those descriptions,.. You have to be pretty dang desperate to even accuse someone of editing a post.. I am in my 40's.. I have better things to do than to edit a post just to prove some internet wannabe wrong.. What about that really long posts where I addressed someone point by point.. Then in the very next post I was accused of not responding to their points?? Did I edit that post too?? Did I just magically make it appear out of no where to prove someone wrong?? You want to see a troll?? Go look in the mirror.. You aren't responding to anyone.. You are just a broken record saying the same thing over and over again.. If you can't support and qualify your views then you don't belong on a forum..

There is a large number of people that have made countless points, that the three of you have failed to respond to.. Instead resorting to lying and false accusations to do what ever you can to prove yourself right.. You will always be wrong when you use those tactics.. Seriously accusing someone of editing a post.. Now that is sad.. Desperate much??

I can see that the three of you are going to continue to troll this forum.. Do all you can to prevent serious discussion.. Make any attempt to insure the conversation is not productive.. You all don't want to have a serious debate.. If you did, you would read my posts and that of others.. Instead of parroting the same trash over and over again.. You would stop making childish accusations like editing a post.. Again?? What about the post where someone's points were addressed point by point.. Then I was accused of no responding to them and responding to their points?? Did I go back and edit that post because I knew I was going to be accused of not responding to their points?? If someone can miss a post of that size, (My points have not yet been responded to..) It makes sense that the smaller post was also missed.. It was not edited.. Some of us around here are adults.. Again you all need to stop trolling and grow up..

Let me know when you want to discuss this with the adults in an adult manner.. Otherwise keep doing what your doing..
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MajikMyst
06.23.2013 , 03:45 PM | #1839
Quote: Originally Posted by Mindshard View Post
Honestly I think you should pick your AC at character creation and either it automatically happens behind the scenes at 10, or it starts right from lv1.
Sometimes I wish my merc was a PT, but then I remember in a single double XP weekend you can go from 1-55 and it becomes a non-issue.
That point has brought up a lot.. I agree, we probably should choose our AC at level 0 or character creation.. I don't understand why in some people choosing it at level 10 makes a difference.. But apparently it does..

I also believe that this thread wouldn't exist if we did choose our AC at level 0..
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