Hey Dev's How about an actual expansion? Is that in the works ?

Hey Nevaehh, how about an actual post?

It's just like my first sentence says.

I too would like to see a "real" expansion. That said, most of the OP's other points are really out in left field.

The game mechanics for starters are just fine, and most people aren't really too concerned about more classes. Most just want more planets and more story all round. ...Oh, and devs that fix things... They want that also.

You are absolutely right, they do offer race, hair color, eye color, etc, but they do not offer the most basic customization that most MMO'S do which is the ability to make a character with skills and abilities you pick. They do not offer the player the ability to play in a style that is unique to the player. Right now all players play in a manner that is comfortable for the devs, we are playing the way they would play but not how we would.

Having the most basic customization, the ability to pick and choose skills and powers from pools or trees would allow us to customize game play to our individual style and pick powers we think best synergize with both play style and other skills and abilities. Right now all we have are 3 different skill trees which Bioware has stated repeatedly they don't want players picking from other trees to make hybrids, so even in that we are limited to 1 skill tree because if we choose from the others we run the risk of gimping our characters.

And for the record I wasn't expecting SWG when I bough this, I was expecting KOTOR where you could pick and choose abilities and make your jedi unique.

So you were expecting something other than what an MMO is then.

Nifty.

The game mechanics aren't fine, there are some real flaws with it and other points where it is generic at best. Exactly how are my points out in left field exactly? What have I said that deviates from the idea of an expansion that addresses some of the mechanics and elevates the game ? I've also talked to a number of players that would love more classes and during beta the topic of more classes was discussed several times. I also mentioned in responses the idea of new classes and planets, like new classes starting on new and different planets. I don't disagree with you that players want devs that fix things or new planets but new classes or better spaceship battles and engine I don't think would be objected to either

For starters I meant unique to you the player and MMO'S (At least the one's I play, other than this) Allow players to pick and choose skills and abilities. I think that is fairly standard in an MMO.

How about an actual discussion rather than a smart assed reply lacking in any intelligent, constructive feedback ? It's obvious you can type but can you put together something that resembles intelligent discourse rather than a 1 liner ?

By necessity, a character is built in any MMO out of choices the player makes. Also by necessity it can and in fact must be entirely possible for any other player to create the exact same character you did simply by making the same choices.

Your "uniqueness" in any MMO is therefore all in your head- even in the most complex of character creation systems, someone can (and will) make the same snowflake you did. It's inevitable, and it's why this particular neurosis isn't something I let ruin my play experience. For me, it's a non-issue, because I don't base the way I spend my spare time on whether or not people are spending theirs similarly.

If you are the sort of person for whom "uniqueness" is an obsessive mote in your eye, it's only in a single player game (like KOTOR) where this isn't a problem (or is, at any rate, a less readily apparent one) since you'll rarely have someone else's similar choices thrown in your face in the way you will in an MMO.

You do realize my "smart *** one liner lacking in any constructive feedback" was exactly how you began your "sensible and constructive discussion," right?

Also, I can see through your house, and it seems to be full of stones.

And if Bioware follows the collection of data and makes changes accordingly, people will STILL complain and leave. It reiterates my point: People are crazy. It doesn't matter what collection of data a game developer follows, someone will always be pissed. So then the game will lose players regardless. So the smart decision would be to make the changes that result in the least amount of player loss, right?

You, as the player, don't know if you are part of that necessary loss. You instead believe that you are part of the majority and the majority is the one being pushed away. So you come to the forums to complain. So the game developer, wanting to be good to you and give you reason to return, would have to read your complaints to get a sense of what caused you to stop playing. Now here's the difficult part: If the Developer follows the data they collected, the game remains "unplayable" by a select few. But that select few will feel slighted and complain. That minority will soon tell their friends and such that the game sucks because it does not do what the gamer wants for them, thus robbing potential players the experience. The forums continue to spiral downward as disgruntled player continue complaining and the Developer gets a bad rep as one who does not "listen".

Now all this could be avoided if the developer just told these gamers, "Hey, we did some research and it turns out you are not the target player we want. Goodbye.", right?

Now picture this: What if that gamer was you? Would you just graciously accept that you are not the target and leave? I'm going to hazard your answer would be no. You love this game. You don't want to leave, you want to see this game reach it's full potential. But above all, you want to have fun playing. Which is the hard part because if the data decrees your idea of fun is not what the majority decrees as fun, you're pretty much SoL. The potential is not reached. But if they make changes based on forum posts, the slighted feel valued again and return. But cycle will return as a new set of players are now the minority and need to go.

It all comes back to a phrase that has been stated many times before on this forum and every gaming forum out there: You can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. If the game needs people to go, is it fair if you are part of that exodus, despite the fact that your love is true? Or should they try to make the best game for everyone, even though it will piss off everyone anyway?

Now the logical course of action would be if the gamer simply adapted and let these petty problems go. If they would just be happy with what they have and keep playing and ignore the bad. Or they will leave silently and let the game go on without them.

Do they do this?

No! They just complain and come to the forum to announce that quit the game altogether! And when people tell them to go, other people show up and tell those people that they are rude and tell people to leave is a bad thing! See why I call everyone crazy? All that logic and data and fact all get tossed out the window because people aren't happy. They just go off and get crazy. Which reiterates my point. People crazy and they're going to keep being crazy and drive the developers crazy which means the game will evolve into crazy which drives the people crazy.

Do you understand now? The problem will never go away. The problem is the player and the player is crazy. It doesn't matter what they do, the player is crazy. The more crazy the player gets, the more crazy the game does. Full circle, Cycle of Crazy.