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Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

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Sharee
06.23.2013 , 03:28 AM | #3741
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
And there in comes the question: Can there be a solo-only "play style" if the game doesn't allow it?
Last time i checked there was a 'queue for warzone solo' button. As long as it stays there, you'll have a hard time convincing anyone the game 'does not allow it'.

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Doomsdaycomes
06.23.2013 , 03:34 AM | #3742
Quote: Originally Posted by Sharee View Post
Last time i checked there was a 'queue for warzone solo' button. As long as it stays there, you'll have a hard time convincing anyone the game 'does not allow it'.
The game allows you to wear Strength Based armor as a commando. Is that a valid Playstyle?
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Sharee
06.23.2013 , 03:39 AM | #3743
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
The game allows you to wear Strength Based armor as a commando. Is that a valid Playstyle?
Is there an user interface button that prompts you to wear strength based armor as a commando?

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Doomsdaycomes
06.23.2013 , 04:25 AM | #3744
Quote: Originally Posted by Sharee View Post
Is there an user interface button that prompts you to wear strength based armor as a commando?
Doesn't have to be, it's just a possibility.

But let's go for a less "obviously stupid player" example:

You are allowed to allocate your points to any of 3 trees. The game allows and provides the means to split along any of the three paths. It is possible to do a near even split evenly along all 3 lines.

Yet the most optimal builds (with few exceptions) are those that hit the top teir in 1 tree and then branch out into the others. Choosing between the 3 trees is a question of playstyle.

If someone gimps themselves by choosing some kind of 3 way even split, they have no expectation others will use the same inferior option.
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Sharee
06.23.2013 , 04:38 AM | #3745
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
Doesn't have to be, it's just a possibility.

But let's go for a less "obviously stupid player" example:

You are allowed to allocate your points to any of 3 trees. The game allows and provides the means to split along any of the three paths. It is possible to do a near even split evenly along all 3 lines.

Yet the most optimal builds (with few exceptions) are those that hit the top teir in 1 tree and then branch out into the others. Choosing between the 3 trees is a question of playstyle.

If someone gimps themselves by choosing some kind of 3 way even split, they have no expectation others will use the same inferior option.
I don't see how the above supports your claim that the game does not allow for solo-queueing playstyle.

If anything, that the game allows you to spec in wildly ineffective ways suggests the game encourages other playstyles than what is 'best'. Otherwise there would be no spec trees, but only a linear progression through a predefined path.

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Doomsdaycomes
06.23.2013 , 04:55 AM | #3746
Quote: Originally Posted by Sharee View Post
I don't see how the above supports your claim that the game does not allow for solo-queueing playstyle.

If anything, that the game allows you to spec in wildly ineffective ways suggests the game encourages other playstyles than what is 'best'. Otherwise there would be no spec trees, but only a linear progression through a predefined path.
I guess the part where we disagree is where each "play style" should be valid and/or equal to others.

To me, the difference in valid play styles is like playing a Jugg Vs. playing a Powertech. Though not equal in every situation, a player should have the same ability to level, make money, obtain crafting skills, have companions, have a role in group content, etc...

Choices involving whether you participate in certain tools or content are invalid to me. This usually get's me in trouble with PvP'ers (and some PvE'ers) as I tend to have such opinions as: Everyone should Keybind, Everyone should do planetary dailies, There should be some BiS gear you can only receive from PvP, etc...

I do want to thank you for your courtesy and manners though, even though we may have to agree to disagree in this particular area.
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Comfterbilly
06.23.2013 , 05:18 AM | #3747
Quote: Originally Posted by Doomsdaycomes View Post
I guess the part where we disagree is where each "play style" should be valid and/or equal to others.
All you're doing and all you have been doing, is setting up your own paper tigers to knock down, hoping someone believes they are real. If I take out all the B.S. in your set of statements (can't really call them an argument), there's literally nothing left of them.

The strategic thing to do is just give your argument enough rope to hang itself, but you're like a delusional cat caught in a dozen nooses, but thinks it's caught a mouse.
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Doomsdaycomes
06.23.2013 , 05:21 AM | #3748
Quote: Originally Posted by Comfterbilly View Post
All you're doing and all you have been doing, is setting up your own paper tigers to knock down, hoping someone believes they are real. If I take out all the B.S. in your set of statements (can't really call them an argument), there's literally nothing left of them.

The strategic thing to do is just give your argument enough rope to hang itself, but like you're like a delusional cat caught in a dozen nooses, but thinks it's caught a mouse.
No, you don't get to call people idiots until you explain how you can both have enough PuG's willing to quit to destabilize the regular queue, and yet say there will be enough PuG's in the regular queue once you give the quitters a PuG-only bracket.

You can't say "More will join" because in either example, more PuG's could join at any time. Can't have your cake and eat it too.

So no temper tantrums Comfty.
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Nairolfus
06.23.2013 , 05:21 AM | #3749
Is this for real?

I mean, I'm alway playing solo in PvP but I don't have a problem with having 4-man teams against me.

All you noobs should just L2P
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MotorCityMan
06.23.2013 , 05:25 AM | #3750
Quote: Originally Posted by Nairolfus View Post
Is this for real?

I mean, I'm alway playing solo in PvP but I don't have a problem with having 4-man teams against me.

All you noobs should just L2P
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