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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Hizoka
06.22.2013 , 03:28 PM | #1741
Quote: Originally Posted by Illyean View Post
opinion offered as fact again, sorry.

various games have offered class based changes in one form or another, but that isn't the point, if the future of a game was dictated by the past of a different game we would all be playing pong.

Financially, sorry, neither of us is qualified to claim to be able to answer that, your hypothesis is that allowing an AC class change would result in less income (in a F2P game) due to lost, err what exactly? because people currently roll another toon of the same base class to level the other advanced class. I did this myself so I know people do, but I reject the notion that there is likely to be any significant loss of revenue as a result. Given the F2P and cash shop model now adopted its not unreasonable to think an AC class change would cost money, resulting in additional revenue. It may also result in people playing longer, spending more, rather than giving up on an AC they are not enjoying any more. Opinion, but valid, fact, certainly not!

Are you going to answer the questions or are you running for public office?
your AC is your class, that is not an option that is a fact stated by EA. If you "try" to see it as an opinion that just makes you ignorant to the facts.

Not everything is an opinion some things are facts, in SWTOR a vanguard is not the same thing as a commando that is a fact.

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TridusSWTOR
06.22.2013 , 03:47 PM | #1742
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Yes it is.. It is not the same character I rolled.. I also didn't level as a sage.. You learn the difference..

I put the effort in to level a shadow to 55.. Not a sage.. Again, you learn the difference..

Everyone should be required to level a class.. Now if swapping their AC meant they were taken back to lvl 1.. No worries.. Then they have to do the work for that class..
So you want someone to level a toon to 55 and then re-level that entire toon that they already put the work into? That makes a lot of sense

Kinda defeats the whole point of having an AC change.

So you still didn't learn the difference.

Changing from a shadow to a sage is fine. Learn the difference.
AC doesn't have an impact on anyone else but the player who chooses it. Learn the difference.
You need to stop trolling and stop passing yourself off as a reasonable debater. Learn the difference.
Stop controlling what other players do in the game just because you don't like it. Learn the difference.

I put learn the difference in everything because you can't tell the difference between what is leg work and what isn't.

So look up the words then come back and try again. I will be glad to debunk you just like I did in the legacy datacron thread.

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TridusSWTOR
06.22.2013 , 03:51 PM | #1743
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Some things in an MMO doesn't change and shouldn't be changed.. Let's get real here.. I played MMO's for years.. Some things don't change.. Class being one of them.. If you don't know that then perhaps you shouldn't be in this discussion..

WOW never made the change.. Bioware would be wise to follow their lead.. Countless other games do not allow class changes.. So why should Bioware??

From a financial standpoint, bioware would lose money if they allow AC swapping.. It would be a loss in content.. So again?? Think about it.. In a point of view other than your own..

As for the effecting another player argument?? Seriously.. That is a null argument..

How about a optional god mode button for people?? How would that effect you?? Seriously.. This is what gets me about the people that are attempting to argue for AC swapping.. Did it ever occur to you that your argument for how it doesn't effect someone else, could be used to justify something else?? Hence used against you??

How about that god mode button?? That won't effect anyone..
Who is asking for a god mode button? Please quote them.

Don't worry, we can all wait while you find that quote.

Oh wait...you are making things up and moving the goal post because you can't hold onto a proper argument any longer. That's fine, we can all see it clearly now.

News flash, class is determined by Jedi knight to trooper to Consular to smuggler. AC can't be grouped up with this, especially since they use the same main stat/storyline/companions. You're argument is null.

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Hizoka
06.22.2013 , 03:51 PM | #1744
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
So you want someone to level a toon to 55 and then re-level that entire toon that they already put the work into? That makes a lot of sense

Kinda defeats the whole point of having an AC change.

So you still didn't learn the difference.

Changing from a shadow to a sage is fine. Learn the difference.
AC doesn't have an impact on anyone else but the player who chooses it. Learn the difference.
You need to stop trolling and stop passing yourself off as a reasonable debater. Learn the difference.
Stop controlling what other players do in the game just because you don't like it. Learn the difference.

I put learn the difference in everything because you can't tell the difference between what is leg work and what isn't.

So look up the words then come back and try again. I will be glad to debunk you just like I did in the legacy datacron thread.
it does impact others... You go form being a healer to a tank and you just screwed everyone you just grouped with because you have the wrong gear and you have no clue what you are doing. It does effect others.

Playing a shadow is NOTHING like playing a sage... If you had even the slightest clue about either class you would know that.

How many times do you have to be told that a sage is the not the same class as a shadow??? Hell they even use different weapons.

DO NOT give that BS about them sharing a story because even someone like you knows its a load of crap. This is pretty much the only MMO out there that gives different stories for even some classes. The class you pick at level 10 is your class, it is not spec it is permanent and you are told it cannot be changed in voice and in text more then once. Why do you self entitled lazy kids think that when something is "permanent" that means it should be changable?

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TridusSWTOR
06.22.2013 , 03:52 PM | #1745
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
What "legwork" is required for a cosmetic change? There is a vast difference between going to the "barber shop" and leveling that new class.
Think before the barber shop.

Now come back and again reply.

Stop grasping at straws by the way, it's unbecoming.

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TridusSWTOR
06.22.2013 , 03:57 PM | #1746
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
it does impact others... You go form being a healer to a tank and you just screwed everyone you just grouped with because you have the wrong gear and you have no clue what you are doing. It does effect others.

Playing a shadow is NOTHING like playing a sage... If you had even the slightest clue about either class you would know that.

How many times do you have to be told that a sage is the not the same class as a shadow??? Hell they even use different weapons.

DO NOT give that BS about them sharing a story because even someone like you knows its a load of crap. This is pretty much the only MMO out there that gives different stories for even some classes. The class you pick at level 10 is your class, it is not spec it is permanent and you are told it cannot be changed in voice and in text more then once. Why do you self entitled lazy kids think that when something is "permanent" that means it should be changable?
So the sage and shadow don't share the same story now? Oh wow, I never noticed that from leveling both to level 55 and noticing they are the exact SAME story. You have been debunked.

It doesn't impact anyone else, that group that got screwed over? They find a new person. End of story, hence why there is a group finder...to FIND other players to fill the role. As for learning the class, wow so just because they will be new at something means they should be punished?

I guess all level 1-10 characters should be punished because according to this poster, every new player should pay a hefty price for learning a new class. Good job welcoming new comers with that logic.

Sage and shadow both use the same main stat/story line/ companions. Class change would be Trooper to consular. Stop grasping at straws and stop moving the goal post to help what little argument you have.

You have been debunked.

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Jeweledleah
06.22.2013 , 04:21 PM | #1747
if I take my sorc now, with her healing gear and switch to dps, lets say madness since I have no clue how to play that tree right now, despite it being one of the available trees... guess what happens? I screw over my group. because I have zero accuracy on my gear, my abilities will miss 10% of the time. because i don't really know how to play that tree, my dps will crumble even further. all that without even AC switch.

inconsiderate and/or not so good players affect the group with or without ac switch. ac switch will not magically turn good players who research/test their new spec before taking it into group content (as well as re gear for it) - bad. and it will have no affect on quality of bad players either. I'm not merely making this claim because i want to - you can see the proof if you pug with any regularity.

as for appearance change, before Kiosk was available, if you weren't happy with how your character looked - you had to reroll, or give up playing them. now, you can just go, pay some coins - and voila - character you now like... and you didn't have to go back and redo them from scratch! oh noes. PAY TO WIN!

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Ratajack
06.22.2013 , 05:03 PM | #1748
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
if I take my sorc now, with her healing gear and switch to dps, lets say madness since I have no clue how to play that tree right now, despite it being one of the available trees... guess what happens? I screw over my group. because I have zero accuracy on my gear, my abilities will miss 10% of the time. because i don't really know how to play that tree, my dps will crumble even further. all that without even AC switch.

inconsiderate and/or not so good players affect the group with or without ac switch. ac switch will not magically turn good players who research/test their new spec before taking it into group content (as well as re gear for it) - bad. and it will have no affect on quality of bad players either. I'm not merely making this claim because i want to - you can see the proof if you pug with any regularity.

as for appearance change, before Kiosk was available, if you weren't happy with how your character looked - you had to reroll, or give up playing them. now, you can just go, pay some coins - and voila - character you now like... and you didn't have to go back and redo them from scratch! oh noes. PAY TO WIN!
How does a cosmetic change affect the fundamentals of your game play? That's right. Cosmetic changes do NOT affect fundamental game play mechanics.

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Ratajack
06.22.2013 , 05:13 PM | #1749
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Think before the barber shop.

Now come back and again reply.

Stop grasping at straws by the way, it's unbecoming.
Does leveling a human unlock the chiss race? No. Why should leveling a shadow unlock the ability to change that character's class to sage?

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Jeweledleah
06.22.2013 , 05:26 PM | #1750
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
How does a cosmetic change affect the fundamentals of your game play? That's right. Cosmetic changes do NOT affect fundamental game play mechanics.
but switching talent trees does. and yet, we can already do that.

also... you can buy a chiss unlock. used to be credits only. now its credits or cartel coins. so... you don't have to level up a chiss, to roll a chiss jedi.

pay to win!