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am i the only one who thinks the double xp weekend was a bad idea?

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am i the only one who thinks the double xp weekend was a bad idea?

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Arkerus
06.22.2013 , 02:04 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
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On-topic, buck double XP weekends. Levelling is already too fast/too easy. Most people won't keep up their credits and commendations with their levelling pace. After each double XP weekend I see people in level 40 flashpoints with level 10 gear/mods, and without half of combat skills "because training is too expensive". Buck that. Give them time to gear, give them time to get credits for training.
Nice exaggeration to make a point.
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Helig
06.22.2013 , 02:13 PM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Nice exaggeration to make a point.
Not an exaggeration. Literally had a Shadow try to tank Maelstrom Prison in unmodded Esseles parts. He didn't have mass taunt, he didn't have Resilience, he had level 19 relics (fine, could be alignment) and level 20 ears/implants. Happened during last pre-Makeb weekends. It was indeed the worst case, but there were a lot of others, not much better.

This weekend, I saw people in Athiss sporting some nice level 8-9 starter world greens.
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CosmicKat
06.22.2013 , 02:49 PM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Anosa View Post
double xp is great for people who have lives and wish to keep up with the game
Oh please.

TOR is one of the simplest games ever made and easily the fastest-playing MMO ever made. If you don't have enough free time to play TOR, you have the wrong hobby.

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Arkerus
06.22.2013 , 03:03 PM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
Not an exaggeration. Literally had a Shadow try to tank Maelstrom Prison in unmodded Esseles parts. He didn't have mass taunt, he didn't have Resilience, he had level 19 relics (fine, could be alignment) and level 20 ears/implants. Happened during last pre-Makeb weekends. It was indeed the worst case, but there were a lot of others, not much better.

This weekend, I saw people in Athiss sporting some nice level 8-9 starter world greens.
So I'll take you at your word because on the RARE occasion I have seen it as well.

Blaming it, however, on double XP weekend is s classic example of correlation without causation.
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Helig
06.22.2013 , 03:08 PM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
So I'll take you at your word because on the RARE occasion I have seen it as well.

Blaming it, however, on double XP weekend is s classic example of correlation without causation.
There *is* a direct correlation between the number of such encounters and the presence/absence of a double XP weekend. Unless there are other factors at play that I'm unaware of, the number of such "encounters" is directly proportional to the amount of XP received on those accursed weekends. One of the reasons I choose to do stuff on my 55s, lay low, or pvp casually on alts whenever this plague hits the server.
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Arkerus
06.22.2013 , 03:26 PM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by Helig View Post
There *is* a direct correlation between the number of such encounters and the presence/absence of a double XP weekend. Unless there are other factors at play that I'm unaware of, the number of such "encounters" is directly proportional to the amount of XP received on those accursed weekends. One of the reasons I choose to do stuff on my 55s, lay low, or pvp casually on alts whenever this plague hits the server.
Lol...the plague that packs the server?

You can't blame people's refusal to gear properly on double XP weekend. Double XP weekend is just a means to collect XP faster. I've seen stupidity all over the game and it has nothing to do with double XP.

Blaming it on double XP is the same as blaming video games for violence. You might see some kind of correlation but no causation exists.


Double XP weekend doesn't force people to wear level 10 greens at level 40. Class stories are enough to keep adequately geared (even if its not optimal). I have several characters that run class stories only.
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Andryah
06.22.2013 , 03:43 PM | #117
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Lol...the plague that packs the server?

You can't people's refusal to gear properly on double XP weekend. Double XP weekend is just a means to collect XP faster. I've seen stupidity all over the game and it has nothing to do with double XP.

Blaming it on double XP is the same as blaming video games for violence. You might see some kind of correlation but not causation exists.


Double XP weekend doesn't force people to wear level 10 greens at level 40. Class stories are enough to keep adequately geared (even if its not optimal). I have several characters that run class stories only.
Heh... yeah.... I agree with Arkerus here.

The accusation that double-xp is causative of bad players or bad play, or gear deficiency is premium quality silly-sauce IMO.
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SwoopingLion
06.22.2013 , 03:55 PM | #118
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Heh... yeah.... I agree with Arkerus here.

The accusation that double-xp is causative of bad players or bad play, or gear deficiency is premium quality silly-sauce IMO.
To be fair it does make sense.

If players are rocketing through the levels then they're not spending enough time at each level (or planet, more generally) to develop there character properly. I rolled a Knight the other day and ended up hugely undergeared after about 4 hours due to the massive amount of XP you're getting. Any attempt to grind out decent gear in FPs levels you up even more so by the time you have a set of lv 10 (for example) gear you've ended up at level 20.

I'm not saying I'm against double XP, but there is a clear causal link between boosted XP and undergeared characters. Or perhaps "overleveled" rather than undergeared. It's not just TOR, there's quite a few other MMOs that do this and it's a "problem" in all of them.

It's not like the landscape content is such that you'll be hamstrung in Pv(casual)E if you're not keeping your gear up so there's nothing stopping people from screaming through the levels this weekend then sitting back to consolidate gear/comms/whatever else when the XP returns to normal. Perhaps it'd be nice if people refrained from running Athiss with Tython gear, for example, but you can't really blame people for that if they don't know any better.

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sharkgirl
06.22.2013 , 03:58 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
Lol...the plague that packs the server?

You can't blame people's refusal to gear properly on double XP weekend. Double XP weekend is just a means to collect XP faster. I've seen stupidity all over the game and it has nothing to do with double XP.

Blaming it on double XP is the same as blaming video games for violence. You might see some kind of correlation but not causation exists.


Double XP weekend doesn't force people to wear level 10 greens at level 40. Class stories are enough to keep adequately geared (even if its not optimal). I have several characters that run class stories only.

i also agree with this!

in addition, please don't ask bioware to add an on/off option for the dbl xp they might accidentally break something completely unrelated and then never fix it lol
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Arkerus
06.22.2013 , 04:48 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by SwoopingLion View Post
To be fair it does make sense.

If players are rocketing through the levels then they're not spending enough time at each level (or planet, more generally) to develop there character properly. I rolled a Knight the other day and ended up hugely undergeared after about 4 hours due to the massive amount of XP you're getting. Any attempt to grind out decent gear in FPs levels you up even more so by the time you have a set of lv 10 (for example) gear you've ended up at level 20.

I'm not saying I'm against double XP, but there is a clear causal link between boosted XP and undergeared characters. Or perhaps "overleveled" rather than undergeared. It's not just TOR, there's quite a few other MMOs that do this and it's a "problem" in all of them.

It's not like the landscape content is such that you'll be hamstrung in Pv(casual)E if you're not keeping your gear up so there's nothing stopping people from screaming through the levels this weekend then sitting back to consolidate gear/comms/whatever else when the XP returns to normal. Perhaps it'd be nice if people refrained from running Athiss with Tython gear, for example, but you can't really blame people for that if they don't know any better.
People being lazy and not gearing up has NOTHING to do with leveling. You could instant ding from 1 to 55 and if you refuse to gear up, that's not the game's fault.

Truth be told...leveling is just a generic counter for gameplay purposes. You could, technically, do away with leveling and only be powered by your gear. (You'd have to remove the poultry stats from leveling but you get the point.)

And by the way, all the complaints about double XP are pretty much invalidated by that point. Level number could technically be removed.
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