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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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MajikMyst
06.22.2013 , 02:35 PM | #1731
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
A free character? You mean you get an extra character? Because that would be in lines with a free character.

So you say you leveled a 55 shadow. So in you're world, when you do an AC change you get a 55 sage but you claim that is a "free character". Yet it is not.

If you want to join the rest of reality though, when you level a 55 shadow and AC change to a level 55 sage. You don't get a free character, you get a AC change.

If you got a free character you would level a 55 shadow and AC change to a level 55 sage and get them BOTH on your account. You see? That would be a free character.

But since they actually put in the work to get to level 1 to level 55, that is not a "free" character. It's a character.

Learn the difference.
Yes it is.. It is not the same character I rolled.. I also didn't level as a sage.. You learn the difference..

I put the effort in to level a shadow to 55.. Not a sage.. Again, you learn the difference..

Everyone should be required to level a class.. Now if swapping their AC meant they were taken back to lvl 1.. No worries.. Then they have to do the work for that class..
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Illyean
06.22.2013 , 02:41 PM | #1732
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Actually I am not.. That is where you are wrong.. The game says that your choice is permanent does it not?? Bioware made the game say that did they not?? Case closed..

The biggest argument that I have heard to allow AC swapping is they don't want to do the story again.. That is laziness.. Hence why that argument needs to be refuted..

What I have said is 100% fact.. I don't argue the same way.. I deal only in facts.. Not opinion..
so anything the game said or says is to be taken as fixed in stone and cant change? I think you may find the real world of MMO games is not like this, never has been like this and never will be. Things change, either as a process of evolution (for want of a better word), maintenance or fixing things that are broken, additions of new things or the redesign and reimplementation of old things using a new mechanism. This game has changed through all of these and probably more a huge amount since it launched

As you seem so keen to 'answer the question' answer two for the rest of us if you would.

1. How does another player changing their AC impact you in anyway at all? (let's ignore the fact that another player may just be upset about it for some, as yet undetermined medical reason)

2. What will you do if it is implemented?

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MajikMyst
06.22.2013 , 02:45 PM | #1733
Quote: Originally Posted by Illyean View Post
so anything the game said or says is to be taken as fixed in stone and cant change?
Some things in an MMO doesn't change and shouldn't be changed.. Let's get real here.. I played MMO's for years.. Some things don't change.. Class being one of them.. If you don't know that then perhaps you shouldn't be in this discussion..

WOW never made the change.. Bioware would be wise to follow their lead.. Countless other games do not allow class changes.. So why should Bioware??

From a financial standpoint, bioware would lose money if they allow AC swapping.. It would be a loss in content.. So again?? Think about it.. In a point of view other than your own..

As for the effecting another player argument?? Seriously.. That is a null argument..

How about a optional god mode button for people?? How would that effect you?? Seriously.. This is what gets me about the people that are attempting to argue for AC swapping.. Did it ever occur to you that your argument for how it doesn't effect someone else, could be used to justify something else?? Hence used against you??

How about that god mode button?? That won't effect anyone..
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Illyean
06.22.2013 , 02:54 PM | #1734
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Some things in an MMO doesn't change and shouldn't be changed.. Let's get real here.. I played MMO's for years.. Some things don't change.. Class being one of them.. If you don't know that then perhaps you shouldn't be in this discussion..

WOW never made the change.. Bioware would be wise to follow their lead.. Countless other games do not allow class changes.. So why should Bioware??

From a financial standpoint, bioware would lose money if they allow AC swapping.. It would be a loss in content.. So again?? Think about it.. In a point of view other than your own..
opinion offered as fact again, sorry.

various games have offered class based changes in one form or another, but that isn't the point, if the future of a game was dictated by the past of a different game we would all be playing pong.

Financially, sorry, neither of us is qualified to claim to be able to answer that, your hypothesis is that allowing an AC class change would result in less income (in a F2P game) due to lost, err what exactly? because people currently roll another toon of the same base class to level the other advanced class. I did this myself so I know people do, but I reject the notion that there is likely to be any significant loss of revenue as a result. Given the F2P and cash shop model now adopted its not unreasonable to think an AC class change would cost money, resulting in additional revenue. It may also result in people playing longer, spending more, rather than giving up on an AC they are not enjoying any more. Opinion, but valid, fact, certainly not!

Are you going to answer the questions or are you running for public office?

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Ratajack
06.22.2013 , 02:56 PM | #1735
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
You missed the entire point. They both require legwork.

Good lord, re-read before you decide to post misinformation.
What "legwork" is required for a cosmetic change? There is a vast difference between going to the "barber shop" and leveling that new class.

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MajikMyst
06.22.2013 , 02:57 PM | #1736
Quote: Originally Posted by Illyean View Post
opinion offered as fact again, sorry.?
What your post?? Yes it is opinion.. Mine?? Well.. It is obvious you either don't know what fact is or don't care what fact is..

You are just ignoring everything..

As for your questions?? I answered it and used your own logic against you.. As for the other question?? It would require me to make a false assumption.. Sorry.. I only deal in fact..

See.. You can't even ask questions about fact..
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Illyean
06.22.2013 , 03:00 PM | #1737
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
What your post?? Yes it is opinion.. Mine?? Well.. It is obvious you either don't know what fact is or don't care what fact is..

You are just ignoring everything..
I haven't ignored anything yet, though I reserve the right to do so as you are. Are you going to answer the questions to just keep trotting out the same argument of 'I am right and you are wrong because I say so'? I'm curious as I was wondering why people would resort to insults against your such well reasoned debate.

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MajikMyst
06.22.2013 , 03:01 PM | #1738
Quote: Originally Posted by Illyean View Post
I haven't ignored anything yet, though I reserve the right to do so as you are. Are you going to answer the questions to just keep trotting out the same argument of 'I am right and you are wrong because I say so'? I'm curious as I was wondering why people would resort to insults against your such well reasoned debate.
I did answer your questions.. As for insults?? Looked in a mirror lately?? AS for a reasoned debater?? Well.. Thjere are a few of us in this forum.. Not many though.. Sorry.. Asking questions that require someone to make a false assumption to answer kind of eliminates you as being one of them.. Have a nice day..
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Illyean
06.22.2013 , 03:05 PM | #1739
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I did answer your questions.. Have a nice day..
I am sorry, where? You seem to be conflating your own opinion and its statement with logically deduced fact, but perhaps I have missed some nugget of wisdom somewhere in your debate.

I'm having a lovely day thanks, how is yours going

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Illyean
06.22.2013 , 03:18 PM | #1740
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
I did answer your questions.. As for insults?? Looked in a mirror lately?? AS for a reasoned debater?? Well.. Thjere are a few of us in this forum.. Not many though.. Sorry.. Asking questions that require someone to make a false assumption to answer kind of eliminates you as being one of them.. Have a nice day..
What false assumption would you have to make? There is a debate about AC class change, logically it can have two results; it happens, it does not (stays as it is now). My questions are simple enough and relevant to the debate. You choose to insult anyone with a differing opinion to your own, you choose to ignore relevant questions. I personally don't give a flying **** about your opinion other that to accept it is as valued as mine is by EA/BW.

You do seem to think that by not engaging with the actual thread you are in some way strengthening your argument to not change the current system by adding an AC class change. You now seem to be posting only to tell me you are done, when clearly you are not.

I can see there isn't a great deal of point continuing this, so I'll stop (and Im going to the pub for a drink) but in a straight vote everyone is equal, this isn't a democracy though so a vote may never be called. The status quo will prevail until change is brought about, until such time as EA/BW engage with this topic there probably isn't much more to say other than to allow everyone to express their opinion.

the last word is yours, the next beer is mine, enjoy your evening