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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Hizoka
06.21.2013 , 08:23 PM | #1691
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I would agree but the person is still leveling the character they want to AC switch. I mean the leveling legwork is already complete, that's what doesn't make sense at all.
because leveling a vanguard is a different class then leveling a commando. Asking for a max level toon for money is pay to win.

EAware has said multiple time they know they will kill the game if they use the CM as a means for pay to win. Even someone with basic reasoning skills can see where that leads.

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TridusSWTOR
06.21.2013 , 08:24 PM | #1692
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Where did I say was against any kind of change? Where did you see me oppose allowing race changes? Where did you see me oppose allowing character re-customization? Where dd you see me oppose speeder training at level 10? Where did you see me oppose sprint at level 1? Where did you see me oppose double XP weekends? Where did you see me oppose


I AM against allowing class changes. You want to change your class. Does the fact that I oppose what you want make me "against change"?

You must have missed the part of my post in which I stated there were a few suggestions I would consider reasonable compromises. Gee, I guess that must mean I'm open minded enough to at least consider compromise. Are you?
I already stated I was willing to agree to a price tag for AC changes. The flat out ban of AC changing makes zero sense. If you are so pro-change then this would be NOTHING, since changing a race is the exact same thing you are complaining about.

Why should people be able to change their race when they haven't leveled one to 50?? omg hand-outs!!

So how is changing a race and AC change even different in those terms? They both required the work to be put in in order to receive the reward.

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MajikMyst
06.21.2013 , 08:26 PM | #1693
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Lose the attitude, especially towards this gentleman, he has stated multiple times his views towards this, and none of them have been strongly for AC changes.
Practice what you preach.. You have insulted people in this thread repeatedly.. I have insulted nobody.. Including lord..

My issue with him is simply his refusal to acknowledge reality as viewed by others.. He demands that we live by the reality viewed by him.. I take issue with that..
Who is the more foolish? The fool or the fool that follows him?

[.] Lost but never forgotten!! 12-01-2011 R.I.P.

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Hizoka
06.21.2013 , 08:27 PM | #1694
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I already stated I was willing to agree to a price tag for AC changes. The flat out ban of AC changing makes zero sense. If you are so pro-change then this would be NOTHING, since changing a race is the exact same thing you are complaining about.

Why should people be able to change their race when they haven't leveled one to 50?? omg hand-outs!!

So how is changing a race and AC change even different in those terms? They both required the work to be put in in order to receive the reward.
if you do not understand the difference in a cosmetic change and the changing of a class then you do not belong in any kind of discussion.

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Knockerz
06.21.2013 , 09:35 PM | #1695
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
if you do not understand the difference in a cosmetic change and the changing of a class then you do not belong in any kind of discussion.
I agree, race is purely cosmetic where an advance class change is completely different. Not all specs and classes are created equal. Personally, if you leveled not so viable class/spec you should be force to level again like if you leveled a commando dps for pvp, but instead want a vanguard cause they are more viable. You should be force to level again and to gain that advantage. If you don't want to level a trooper again well that's though. Most players will not tolerate a class change without you having to level that class.

As I mention before the only game I know that allow class change require you to level the class you change into. Thus, if you were to switch from commando to vanguard, your vanguard would need to be leveled from 1-55. There is no free lunch.
Fiery the angels fell; deep thunder rolled around their shores; burning with the fires of Orc

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PeterTLJr
06.21.2013 , 10:06 PM | #1696
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
Practice what you preach.. You have insulted people in this thread repeatedly.. I have insulted nobody.. Including lord..

My issue with him is simply his refusal to acknowledge reality as viewed by others.. He demands that we live by the reality viewed by him.. I take issue with that..
I treat people how they treat me, nothing more
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.21.2013 , 11:27 PM | #1697
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
I already stated I was willing to agree to a price tag for AC changes. The flat out ban of AC changing makes zero sense. If you are so pro-change then this would be NOTHING, since changing a race is the exact same thing you are complaining about.

Why should people be able to change their race when they haven't leveled one to 50?? omg hand-outs!!

So how is changing a race and AC change even different in those terms? They both required the work to be put in in order to receive the reward.
Race changes are COSMETIC only, not a change of fundamental mechanics. That is the difference.

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branmakmuffin
06.21.2013 , 11:27 PM | #1698
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
I treat people how they treat me, nothing more
That guy is a major pot calling kettles black when he complains about others insulting people.

Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
if you do not understand the difference in a cosmetic change and the changing of a class then you do not belong in any kind of discussion.
There you go with that anger again. Do you receive nourishment from AC swap being disallowed, because nothing else can explain your mindless, fanatical vehemence?

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Hizoka
06.22.2013 , 12:11 AM | #1699
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
That guy is a major pot calling kettles black when he complains about others insulting people.


There you go with that anger again. Do you receive nourishment from AC swap being disallowed, because nothing else can explain your mindless, fanatical vehemence?
what reason is there to give someone a max level class for no reason other then childish want???

it is pay to win and pay to win is how you kill an MMO

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LordArtemis
06.22.2013 , 12:52 AM | #1700
Quote: Originally Posted by MajikMyst View Post
You are wrong.. Bioware has said it and just because you didn't read it or hear doesn't mean it didn't happen.. The beta forums and the original launch forums no longer exist.. The forums we have no were put a couple days after launch.. Pretty much right after early release was over and those people could no longer post to forum..
......

Wayback machine.

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So seriously.. Your views around here don't dictate reality.. Your AC is your class.. That is fact.. Bioware said it.. Repeatedly.. Sorry you missed it..
No. My posting of the exact quote, the quote that you posted incorrectly and then LINKED to an incorrect post actually dictates facts as opposed to fallacy.

Orange is a color and a fruit. That is a fact. Oranges taste good. That is an opinion. Learn the difference.

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Why don't you not worry about my views and start answering some of my questions..

Name a single reason as to why AC swapping would make the game better for all involved and will not cost Bioware money..
Why are you asking me this?

....this is a question you want to ask of someone that SUPPORTS AC change.

I'm not going to allow you to shoehorn me into the pro AC change group because your threatened by my opinion.

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Explain to all of us why rolling a new character doesn't accomplish the same thing?? Do not use reasons that can be turned into being lazy.. No reasons that involve easier or more convenient..
...is there a reason why I should answer this as well?

Ask someone who wants AC change.

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No the real contention here is your desire to ignore what already has been said that a number of people in this thread have confirmed.. As well as confirmed in other threads.. The contention here is your desire for everyone to play your rules and live by your reality...
My rules are simple.

Post facts.
State opinions.
Post quotes verbatim.
Be honest.


If you are incapable of following those simple rules you have more problems than not fitting in to what I wish folks play by. You are of course welcome to disrespect yourself as much as you want.

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As I have said before.. Whether or not you feel an AC is a class is irrelevant..
See. You are capable of saying logical and factual things.

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It is of no consequence to the discussion of AC swapping..
I agree. Two for two.

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As I said, people make that argument in attempt to devalue the AC and claim it isn't a class..
And people make the argument it is a class to try and dissuade change. There is no difference. It is BS from both sides.

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So they can at least not be seen asking for a class change.. You can debate about it all you want.. It doesn't change the reality here.. Your AC is your class.. Bioware has stated this repeatedly.. Which in itself is irrelevant.. The game is all we need.. What the game says is paramount to this issue.. That is all anyone needs to hear or read.. What the game says...
Your entitled to your opinion. You are not entitled to tell people what they need to think, or what they can discuss.

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By the way.. Grats for knowing about the orange dot.. It was fixed in the build they put out on Dec. 1st, 2011.. Hence the date in my sig.. If you came just before or after that point.. Unless you searched for it, you may not have seen the quotes and statements by Bioware.. The issue over the AC happened in late to mid August to mid to late September.. Long before you got in the beta I am thinking.. As I said.. You would have had to search for it.. I don't think they reset the forums then.. They reset the forums at least 3 times in between builds.. Said they would be saved for future study.. I don't remember exactly when the last time they did was.. I know when we were able to keep our characters in the next build, the forums didn't change..
...you can keep your grats.

This has reached epic ridiculousness Majik. We have nothing further to discuss.