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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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Ratajack
06.21.2013 , 04:32 PM | #1661
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Ok but why must it be this difficult? Why cant it just be a simple AC change? Why should BW go above and beyond for something that should have been put in the game to begin with...
There is absolutely nothing different about changing ACs in this game and switching Specs or Souls or whatever its called in other games.

Ive been reading just about every post, and even the people against AC changes are OK with allowing ac changes but with penalties and restrictions..why? ultimately its still an AC change, they just want to make this a bigger deal then it is.

If they want to put restrictions on it then GOOD, I want restrictions, but I shouldnt be penalized and pushed back levels, or have to redo the same crap I did the first time around on the same character.

Not only that, people actually will PAY for this, this game will make MONEY, to do more stuff with it. So I dont see it being a negative impact.

This feature would be completely optional, they shouldnt have to compensate for those who are happy with there character, you get the satisfaction of not having to spend money to change your ac.

Because you want to CHANGE YOUR CLASS, not just your spec, YOUR CLASS. No other game I have ever played has allowed you to change your class. You can change your spec, sure, but NOT YOUR CLASS. If they are going to allow class changes, it should come with a hefty price tag and that price tag should not all be dollars.

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Ratajack
06.21.2013 , 04:39 PM | #1662
Quote: Originally Posted by astrobearx View Post
missed the point because you are in agreement with her or him.

my point was that (s)he CONSTANTLY insults anyone who speaks or behaves in ways that differs than her. SHE IS A TROLL. that is not a personal opinion, but fact.


but fine, i will respose to her or his moronic post.

the difference is quite simply : one is paying BIS gear WITHOUT DOING ANY WORK at all and the other DID do the work to EARN what he or she want. in this case that would be AC despite what you anti may say, those who want a lvl 55 AC switch DID level LVL 55 toon. the AC are just a subset of the toon. i post 3 toons that people have leveled without having choosing a AC. there is nothing "free" especially considering that players already did the work (e.g. lvl the toon to 50~55) and want aN OPTION TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO.....within the proper restriction on what they can do of course.



her comparison is entirely flawed and was just another daily post to insult other people.


also, how am i "entitled"?

entitled past participle, past tense of en·ti·tle (Verb)

Verb
Give (someone) a legal right or a just claim to receive or do something.
Give (something, esp. a text or work of art) a particular title.

by this definition, no where within my posts am i acting entitled. in fact, i would say YOU have been acting entitled, by acting like you are the spokesperson of bioware. learn to properly use the word in the correct setting if you wish to proper insult me. as it is now, i honestly just think you are moron because you are using words that you arent properly understanding it meaning. i mean, english isnt even my first language, but even i know that the way most of the ppl use the word "entitled" on thif fourm isnt using it in the proper context.it is just the defender FOTM choice word.


try again.
You say if you level a character to max level you DID the work?

I have a question for you. If you have a level 55 vanguard, did you do the work of leveling a commando to 55? NO. You leveled a different class (vanguard) to 55, not a commando. That means you did NOT do the work to entitle you to a 55 commando.

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Ratajack
06.21.2013 , 04:41 PM | #1663
Quote: Originally Posted by Selenial View Post
1621 posts and not a single word from Bioware.
That says something, doesn't it? To me, it says they have no intention of allowing class changes or changing their stance that AC's are fundamentally different class designs. They have not uttered one single peep about AC changes in over 6 months, not even a hint of a peep.

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TridusSWTOR
06.21.2013 , 04:46 PM | #1664
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
There is already a set limit on the number of times you can change your class. That number is ZERO. I see no reason to raise or remove that restriction and I am in favor of leaving that restriction exactly as it is. Given the numbers of people who want to change their class and are on these forums clamoring for the current restrictions to be lifted, I have no doubt that even if class changes were allowed and restricted in number, these forums would be full of people clamoring for "just one more change" and then "one more" after that, and so on.

That being said, there have been some suggestions made that I think would be reasonable compromises. The only two I would consider to be reasonable restrictions which would address most of the concerns of those against allowing class changes would revert the character to level 10 (allowing the character to keep all items they have acquired, including those that may no longer be obtainable in game and all companions, crew skills, etc. ) and be limited to one time max, possibly 2 changes.
Why are you so against change in the first place? Without change we would still have sprint at level 14. We would still have broken speeder lanes in dormund kaas. Change isn't bad, stop labeling it to be. Change is what made a lot of QoL things that players enjoy today happen.

Change is better that what you are offering...which is NOTHING.

Who are you to tell someone how to play their character? They pay the fee per month, they get to choose, not you. Also why is an option to change AC so bad when you can have the *OPTION* not to change your AC on any of your characters. It would be like things never changed in you're world but the option would still be offered to those who want it.

At least admit you want to impose your own rule set on other players and that's the main justification of your argument.

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Khevar
06.21.2013 , 04:50 PM | #1665
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
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At least admit you want to impose your own rule set on other players and that's the main justification of your argument.
He's not trying to impose his own rules on others, he's asking for the existing rules to be maintained.
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Without change we would still have sprint at level 14. We would still have broken speeder lanes in dormund kaas. Change isn't bad, stop labeling it to be. Change is what made a lot of QoL things that players enjoy today happen.
I agree, QoL changes can be excellent. Sprint from level 1, Speeders at level 1 with a legacy unlock, Rocket Boost, HK-51 unlock, +500 legacy presence unlock, all of these things make it easier to level a character.

But wouldn't you say that, "things that make it easier to level" and "things that eliminate the need to level at all" are vastly different types of change?

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Hizoka
06.21.2013 , 05:22 PM | #1666
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Ok but why must it be this difficult? Why cant it just be a simple AC change? Why should BW go above and beyond for something that should have been put in the game to begin with...
There is absolutely nothing different about changing ACs in this game and switching Specs or Souls or whatever its called in other games.

Ive been reading just about every post, and even the people against AC changes are OK with allowing ac changes but with penalties and restrictions..why? ultimately its still an AC change, they just want to make this a bigger deal then it is.

If they want to put restrictions on it then GOOD, I want restrictions, but I shouldnt be penalized and pushed back levels, or have to redo the same crap I did the first time around on the same character.

Not only that, people actually will PAY for this, this game will make MONEY, to do more stuff with it. So I dont see it being a negative impact.

This feature would be completely optional, they shouldnt have to compensate for those who are happy with there character, you get the satisfaction of not having to spend money to change your ac.
you are still harping on the reason you want to change your CLASS is simply because you want it, there is no need other then you feel entitled to have a class you never leveled at max level.

That is no different then asking for BiS gear you did not earn. The sad thing is people who grow up never earning anything have no respect for things that must be earned. If you are handed everything simply because you cryed for it then you will have a pathetic life ahead of you. Also don't use "its a game" excuse ether, there is no reason at all you skip the game.

If you want a commando level a command if you want a vanguard level a vanguard. DO not level a vanguard and say you deserve a commando because they are completely different classes. They simply share the same story.

In wow you never change classes, you change specs. A warrior has 3 specs prot arms and fury, that is the exact same as a vanguard having shield, tactics, and assault. There are 11 classes in wow, there are 8 classes in this game. You will never see the little kid QQ in wow that they leveled a warrior now they want a paladin, yet you are doing it in this game because of childish want nothing else.

You even admitted that vanguard and commandos are different classes now you want to not only ignore everything else but ignore your own posts because it doesn't suit your agenda. Instead of whining that you want a fully leveled class for no reason go level it. With 0 XP boost it takes just over 2 days /played to level if you are capable of playing better then a window licker.

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Ratajack
06.21.2013 , 05:32 PM | #1667
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Makes me think that they are trying to figure out a way to put this feature in the game. If they were standing next to no they would have shut this thread down 100 pages ago.
If they were to say "No" they risk losing all those who want to change their class. If they say "yes" they risk losing all those who are against allowing class changes. If they remain silent and do not allow class changes they keep everyone playing and paying.

Which do you really think they are doing?

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SithKoriandr
06.21.2013 , 05:47 PM | #1668
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Because you want to CHANGE YOUR CLASS, not just your spec, YOUR CLASS. No other game I have ever played has allowed you to change your class. You can change your spec, sure, but NOT YOUR CLASS. If they are going to allow class changes, it should come with a hefty price tag and that price tag should not all be dollars.
Before a MMO decided to become F2P, no other MMO had ever allowed people to play free.

Obviously, things change.
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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Ratajack
06.21.2013 , 05:47 PM | #1669
Quote: Originally Posted by TridusSWTOR View Post
Why are you so against change in the first place? Without change we would still have sprint at level 14. We would still have broken speeder lanes in dormund kaas. Change isn't bad, stop labeling it to be. Change is what made a lot of QoL things that players enjoy today happen.

Change is better that what you are offering...which is NOTHING.

Who are you to tell someone how to play their character? They pay the fee per month, they get to choose, not you. Also why is an option to change AC so bad when you can have the *OPTION* not to change your AC on any of your characters. It would be like things never changed in you're world but the option would still be offered to those who want it.

At least admit you want to impose your own rule set on other players and that's the main justification of your argument.
Where did I say was against any kind of change? Where did you see me oppose allowing race changes? Where did you see me oppose allowing character re-customization? Where dd you see me oppose speeder training at level 10? Where did you see me oppose sprint at level 1? Where did you see me oppose double XP weekends? Where did you see me oppose


I AM against allowing class changes. You want to change your class. Does the fact that I oppose what you want make me "against change"?

You must have missed the part of my post in which I stated there were a few suggestions I would consider reasonable compromises. Gee, I guess that must mean I'm open minded enough to at least consider compromise. Are you?

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SithKoriandr
06.21.2013 , 05:48 PM | #1670
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If they were to say "No" they risk losing all those who want to change their class. If they say "yes" they risk losing all those who are against allowing class changes. If they remain silent and do not allow class changes they keep everyone playing and paying.

Which do you really think they are doing?
Those who say they'll quit and follow through with it, if AC changes are made available, is likely as small a number as those who said they'd quit if SGR was put in the game
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry