ETA on Advanced Class change?

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I hear you.. Sadly some people don't even understand the impacts this will have.. They just see what they want and that is all they care about..

No.

People know what permanent means. The current dev staff does not seem to subscribe to that meaning however. To claim otherwise is wishful thinking IMO.

I agree it would not be wise. I do not agree it is the biggest mistake. But it would make a bad situation even worse IMO. I would prefer there be NO AC change. I think that is the best option.

That's a bit overly dramatic, don't you think?

A silly argument. Plenty of complaints were heeded and ended once the changes were made. I have posted examples. This is not a done deal if they offer the change.

Saying it over and over again does not make it so. It has to FEEL like a class, and right now I contend it does not feel that way, at least not as much as it should. But they can rectify that.

They devalued the AC by design. Bioware did far more damage to making AC a meaningful class choice than any discussion ever would.

I think that speaking of weak positions when arguments from the anti club consist of "lazy players", "give an inch", "permanent means class", "choices matter" or "bioware said class" is not wise. Both sides have pretty weak arguments IMO.

The only completely valid argument I can see against AC change is the effect that demeaning the choice may have on class representation due to some poor designs.

The only completely valid argument I can see for AC change is that they are choices that are not as meaningful as they should be, feel more like specs than classes based on design.

Almost all other reasons presented have been more emotional than logical.

Try playing the game.. All you need to know is there.. Everytime you choose an AC, Bioware tells you it will be a permanent choice.. What more do you want??

Everyone in the game has at least read and heard those warnings at least 4 times.. Look how many people don't understand the word permanent?? Now that is sad..

And you can qualify this statement how??

No it wasn't. Your at the best recalling it wrong, at the worst being dishonest, period. I already posted what they said, and plenty of other folks in this thread have done the same.

Your problem is that some beta testers agree with me, others agree with you. But we all know what was said.

Again, you have something wrong with your eyes. They keep rolling into your head.

The most recent statement regarding AC change, combined with all the changes made recently to the game that Bioware indicated would never change, were permanent or were not possible.

Examples have been posted.

You just can't seem to get away from your obsession with ice skating uphill. I'm not sure what your trying to accomplish here. If it is to somehow invalidate my opinion or prevent me from expressing it you failed to accomplish either the moment you tried.

It makes little sense to try any way, considering my opinion means next to nothing. I simply can't understand why the anti AC folks want me to pick up the pitchfork and torches so badly.

Looks like I need to remind you of this, yet again.

Seriously?? Whatever dude.. You are obviously living in a bubble.. You can claim it wasn't there all you want.. I can almost quote it verbatim.. "We consider your AC to be the class of your character.' or something like that.. It has been over a year..

Daniel Erickson on Advanced Classes being a full class:

That actually is a later quote..

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...20&postcount=3

Note the date of this thread.. There have been a lot things said about this topic.. It has been said.. Countless times over in both forums, interviews and so on.. Just because you haven't heard anything doesn't mean it hasn't been said.. Which clearly it has.. Repeatedly..

As for other beta testers agreeing with?? Good luck with that.. I would start with the weekend warriors, they didn't see much.. The forums were wiped a couple of times before they showed up..

How about that orange dot explanation??

...and don't forget the pink boots!

Dude.. All that shows is that you don't know much about business nor how to read between the lines.. Bioware has been saying the same thing on this issue since early last year.. Nothing has changed.. The game still says no which you and other love to ignore..

How can you argue with the game?? As long as you ignore the game, you are making point of view look kind of stupid.. It would be like looking out your window and seeing it rain, but not believing it until the weather man tells you so.. All you need to know is in the game..

You aren't reminding me of anything.. Other than what it seems you do not understand..

Recent changes?? Can you actually name one or is your vague attempt at stating fact without details supposed to go unnoticed??

Seriously dude.. You just need to get your facts straight.. Because you haven't said anything with any details.. Your are just making vague statements about nothing and claiming you are right.. Ok.. I will give you that.. You are right about nothing.. I can't tell you what you are right about because you haven't told me..

How about that orange dot that you keep ignoring?? I am not the only one with this in their sig.. It was a beta thing..

Or the pink doggies!! lol