ETA on Advanced Class change?

That's a strawman argument. Clearly he was stating that no one character should be able to convert from tank to healer. I know this was possible in WoW by dual speccing a paladin from protection to holy, but this game didn't opt for tanking and healing to be in the same three trees shared by a powertech/vanguard to mercenary/commando. I have been against AC changes from the get go, but admittedly my position has softened as of late. I would get behind something like this, only if it was expensive, and a one time deal.

Well then, now we just have to convince Bioware to use the cash from CC sales to make a proper space game.

Fixed that for ya =D

I would like to see them do this.

1) Come out and publicly state, in no uncertain terms, that an AC IS A CLASS. Period. Leave no room for doubt.

2) Remove all base class abilities when you choose your AC, the ability to wear base class armor, etc. Provide AC abilities and armor from that point forward. The only exception would be adaptive gear.

To be clear, just delete the base class in your abilities panel and move all abilities into the AC column instead. Put all abilities in the trainer under your AC. No more abilities listed to train under your base class.

3) Make sure all listings, all references, everything (except perhaps class story, nothing can be done about that now) is changed to refer to you by your NEW CLASS....the AC you chose. There should not be one single remaining reference aside from story that refers to you by your original base class.

4) Work on and release, some time in the future, an short AC quest line that brings real meaning to the role you chose. Perhaps a bit of VO work where they directly call you by your new class name.


The choice I like the most is to keep it the way it is. No AC change, as long as they do what I posted above.


If we have to have AC change, this is the one I would feel most comfortable with.

Level 10 to 15 - Allow AC Change - max 2 changes allowed - reduction to level 10 with change - 24 hour cooldown - once you reach level 16 AC is permanent - everything except XP and quests are unaffected - armor/earpieces/weapons for character and companions are removed and must be reequipped.

I fully agree with you. The amount of times you can do it should be limited and it should come at a credit or CC cost. I think that's a fair trade.

I mean for the people who want it, they have to pay up. For the people who are content with their class, well they just saved some game bucks and time.

What's off is in other threads people are saying "Hey, if it gives BW more money, it's okay!" But then when it comes to this, all of a sudden, it's gone to far.

Allow this to happen, charge some CC for it, let BW get more money to put back into TOR! It's the best for the game! Remember, anything that puts more money into TOR is good! Like charging for cutscenes! That's a good idea because not everyone cares about the cutscenes and content and just want to smash buttons and get to max level.

And seriously, "You wouldn't know how to play your new AC" is the dumbest excuse not to do it, when people complain that there are max levels right now, without the feature, who don't know how to play their AC or even use the right mods.

The only reason not to allow people to pay CC to change their AC, is to deny TOR more money.

If someone were to go with your solution. Then I would have to demand it cost next to nothing in terms of CC. Why only level 10-15? Every class fully blooms at level 30 to 40. Level 15 is just way too low to even get a grasp on what a AC will be like. Honestly, why a level frame at all? Just make it at any level.

Seems like way too much work than a easy on/off AC switch at a cost.

seriously this. in fact, with lord propose idea make the anti AC side even more justify to call you a lazy slob as leveling another toon will take about the same amount of time as your idea, which is about 2~3 hours tops (in fact, if you were to use xp boost and open xp exploration 1 from lvl 1, you can get to lvl 10 within 2 hours. you even can skip the heroics (with heroics i got all my alt db xp toons to lvl 12 before leaving their starter worlds).

if AC change should be done, then it should at least be capped at 47 like what jewel said as you get to used all the AC tree abilities before making a well informed decision. at lvl 15, you only get the basic AC abilities.

for example, most healers abilities WONT SHINE until lvl 23~30.

a lvl 15 healer wont really get how healing works until he or she get it healing ticks first. the same got for tanks with it damage reduction abilities ACs.

Why do you keep resorting back to this? You have stated this so many times now, and here is whats wrong with it.
1. Not many people knew they picked the wrong AC at level 10-15, you dont even gain any major abilities until the later levels.
2. Not many people are going to pay to have their character pushed down to level 10. So BW/EA wont make much money off it.
3. It require a whole lot of work on BWs part to put in something that actually resets your levels.

Edit: Also they would have said by now that ACs were there own class. At one point they were, until the cartel market hit. If they can make AC changes happen and make money off it, I bet they will. Removing your base class will most likely not happen, as your base class is your ENTIRE story, your ACs do not have a story of there own.

This pretty much sums it up. I must add though its not even a time thing, people have put a lot of work into a class and to be told to reroll the same class just for the other AC is just.....ignorant.