Premades are ruining non-ranked warzones

It's about game play preference. Either you prefer to play in groups, or you do not. However, i will fully support you if you request your 4-man to be able to queue for ranked(and in fact, something like that might be coming with the arena option)


But that's what you are criticizing him for. "If you are not willing to group, how can you tell me to group more?" is what you said in your last post. He can tell you because him not grouping is natural for non-ranked.

There is no "work". Only fun. This is a computer game after all. You did group because you wanted to, because its your gameplay preference, because it's fun for you.
Telling the solo player "But i did all this WORK!..." is just nonsense.

That was me back in the day....
That stupid ***** was trying to tell me something and the ugly man showed up, pimp slapped her and deported me to Canada so I could get fiber optics, and a GTX680

well it sounds like you made out alright in the end, id move to canada for a fiber + gtx680 lol

Premade welfare case #1

Two parts: Unless you (the royal you, not you specifically) don't care about success, which then you wouldn't be complaining, Solo vs. Group is not a play style.

There is actually no solo pvp as you -always- end up in a group for a warzone. Whether you group up before hand or let if pick for you, you're still in a group play scenario. I know everyone PuG's every now and then, but PuG-only queuing is about the same as Clicking vs. Keybinding.

See above.

Work, effort, etc. Like it or not, games require you do -something- to get something. You can't use "Daily running isn't my gameplay preference, it's not fun" and then complain that other people have more money. There is always Optimal way to play something.

So again, I can not ask you to take two steps if I will only take one.
You can not ask me to take two steps if you will only take one.

So much of this thread reminds me of a Lotro player that continuously soloed in open world pvp and was quite distressed that almost the whole rest of the server grouped up and zerged him constantly.

Back on topic, I have a few thoughts after reading pages of this:

To start with the obvious, small-med guilds, pvpers from pve guilds, and small servers will continue to field 2-4 man groups, as an 8 man ranked team requires approximately the same recruiting, time, scheduling, and coordination as a full raid team, whereas small grouping in pvp is the equivalent difficulty of getting people together for a flashpoint, if that. Ranked is not well suited for casual/busy/raiding players, imo.

If 4 man ranked is implemented, many teams will likely double que reg/ranked to reduce their wait time, so will not be isolated from regs.

If/when a solo ranked que is established, there will likely be a server TS set up for the regulars to join, allowing more coordination for folks willing to use it. I predict there will also be a lot more pvp forum outcry from matches where guild members end up on opposing teams, but are still chatting away as normal in their own mumble.

I thought there was a mutual understanding between us what 'solo' and 'grouped' means when it comes to this discussion. If you insist i will strictly use the full term "players who queued solo" and "players who queued as a group". I only used 'solo' as a way to reduce the amount of text in the post.

The "if you solo queue then you don't care about success" claim is nonsense. I do care. I just prefer playing with random people against random people, because that makes the match more chaotic and unpredictable, and for me, that equals to more fun. THAT is the gameplay preference/play style i was talking about.

You play this game for fun(or at least you should). So don't act like you made some great sacrifice when you found 3 other players to group with. If you think that's work then that's your problem not mine.

Don't know why people throw the TS (teamspeak) thing into the thread. It's much like a rider added to a bill so it doesn't pass. Surprisingly, there is a large majority of people who have no desire to get on VOIP.

The only tweak needed is to either:

A) Allow teams of 4 to participate in ranked

B) Have a separate Solo Queue and Group Queue

I would actually prefer to not have a separate solo queue, and instead just allow players to skip games that contain groups(while still being in the same queue). A "only put me in games where all participants queued solo" checkbox.

That way players who queue solo but do not mind facing premade groups can still play against them (i.e. not use the checkbox) and the impact on queue times would be lower.

Premades hurt the team I am on.

They only heal each other, and they only use chat to get your help when and if it makes their objectives work. They can cap other nodes because you are the distraction they leave behind. I know because this is what I do on a premade ( yes we do end up guarding because we follow up after folks leave). I started to notice this after I began playing with a premade and then switched back to PUG.