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Weekly Warzone Pass does NOT include Ranked Warzones

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Weekly Warzone Pass does NOT include Ranked Warzones

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Pistols
06.19.2013 , 06:08 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by AsheraII View Post
Don't worry, Ranked Warzones aren't everything either. It's still mostly staged games between teams of people that know eachother, since there's too few teams to actually give a sense of competition.
While that may happen at times with a few guilds, it's unjust to say it's "mostly", when in fact it's not.

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Astarica
06.19.2013 , 06:16 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Jeweledleah View Post
actualy.

there is.

go to the f2p FAQ page, it was even linked earlier in this thread.

they specifically state that ranked warzones are not available to anyone but subscribers.

now, mind you, I think this is not a good OR fair choice on their part, and if operations/flashpoint access is fully unlocked through their respective passes, so should be warzones. but... regretfully - this is not a false advertising its working as intended and as advertized :/

and I saw that you have seen that page already.

so.. my guess is - this is their way to balance the fact that even with flashpoint/operations full access, you still cannot trade with other players as f2p/preferred account? :/
only thing I could think of, to be honest.
The intention is irrelevent. If they don't want F2P people do ranked WZ that's within their right but that does not give them the right to have false advertising. I swear people are so eager to sign away their rights. If you bought a cartel pack and it only comes with 2 items instead of 6 advertised I bet a lot of people will just say you need to look harder on the a page somewhere that says people with more than 3 vowels in their name gets only 2 items instead of the standard amount.

The fact that a rarely referenced FAQ page say something (I can't even find the page easily from the stie's navigation) is irrelevent. The weekly pass does not say, "Special restriction apply, check website for details". If it did you can make a case for that. As is right now this is just flat out false advertising. It most definitely do not offer unlimited access to WZ as it claims, and nowhere within the item itself does it tell you why this is the case. If you go to the PvP queue screen, it says something along the lines of 'subscribe now or buy a pass to have unlimited access', implying those two are equivalent. Again, this is false advertising as now we know they are not.

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Astarica
06.19.2013 , 06:20 PM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by AsheraII View Post
Don't worry, Ranked Warzones aren't everything either. It's still mostly staged games between teams of people that know eachother, since there's too few teams to actually give a sense of competition.
I realize this thread probably has all 5 guys who cared enough about ranked WZ but not enough about the game to sub so that they buy WZ passes instead, which is why it took so long for this question to even be brought up, but just because this is a very small part of the population doesn't give Bioware the right to lie. It's not even about fairness. I don't really care if PvE is favored over PvP, but the item absolutely must tell you what its limitations are.

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06.19.2013 , 07:47 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
The intention is irrelevent. If they don't want F2P people do ranked WZ that's within their right but that does not give them the right to have false advertising. I swear people are so eager to sign away their rights. If you bought a cartel pack and it only comes with 2 items instead of 6 advertised I bet a lot of people will just say you need to look harder on the a page somewhere that says people with more than 3 vowels in their name gets only 2 items instead of the standard amount.

The fact that a rarely referenced FAQ page say something (I can't even find the page easily from the stie's navigation) is irrelevent. The weekly pass does not say, "Special restriction apply, check website for details". If it did you can make a case for that. As is right now this is just flat out false advertising. It most definitely do not offer unlimited access to WZ as it claims, and nowhere within the item itself does it tell you why this is the case. If you go to the PvP queue screen, it says something along the lines of 'subscribe now or buy a pass to have unlimited access', implying those two are equivalent. Again, this is false advertising as now we know they are not.
It isn't false advertising, as they have explicitly posted on their site that Ranked WZ's are not included. They don't need redundancy because people can't be bothered to read FAQ's that fully explain the issue. If you are F2P and want to PvP, you are going to buy the passes anyway so suddenly finding out you aren't eligible for Ranked WZ's because you didn't do any research on the pitfalls of F2P isn't going to preclude you from using said pass for PvP that you are eligible for.

It says unlimited access to PvP WZ's, not unlimited access to PvP WZ's and Ranked WZ's which everyone knows is a completely different aspect of PvP. Since it does not state access to Ranked WZ's, you should not have expected access to Ranked WZ's.
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06.19.2013 , 08:48 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
IIt says unlimited access to PvP WZ's, not unlimited access to PvP WZ's and Ranked WZ's which everyone knows is a completely different aspect of PvP. Since it does not state access to Ranked WZ's, you should not have expected access to Ranked WZ's.
Bad analogy. That's like saying there's a difference between Nightmare, Story and Hard modes (or however those work) for operations.

Warzones, in and of itself is a generic term, it does not describe Regs or Rankeds in any way.

Having said that, yes the FAQ does say Rankeds are not part of the weekly pass, which IMO is a craptastic idea that only EA can pull off.

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chuixupu
06.19.2013 , 09:14 PM | #46
Like I said, I feel like just adding ranked WZs would at worst have no effect, and at best just make queue times a little lighter and make a few PVPers happier. Unless there is some problem with not having a subscriber account that causes a problem for ranked players. I can't imagine there are a ton of subscribers who are only subscribing because of Ranked Warzones.
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Soluss
06.19.2013 , 09:26 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by itsmymillertime View Post
According to this:

http://www.swtor.com/free/features

Preferred and free cannot access ranked warzones.
Good find, it does indeed say "Cannot access ranked warzones"
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06.19.2013 , 11:03 PM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by chuixupu View Post
I can't imagine there are a ton of subscribers who are only subscribing because of Ranked Warzones.
I can think of plenty, lol. A ton though? Prolly not, but quite a few anyways.

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Astarica
06.20.2013 , 12:03 AM | #49
Here's what the weekly pass for warzone says:

Grants your character full access to Warzones for 7 days. Subscribers have full access to Warzones.

Here's what the weekly pass for operation says:

Grants your character full access to Operations for 7 days. Subscribers have full access to Operations.

It's funny people are always talking about how companies are taking all our rights with EULA or whatever. It wouldn't be so easy if people aren't trying to get bent over on every opportunity. This is clearly a mistake on Bioware's part as there is absolutely no way you can infer based on the item you're buying that 'full access to Warzone' means 'does not include ranked Warzones". Even if you're running a scam you'd have to put a fine print somewhere to try to weasel your way out of it later. You can't sell something that claims for 'unlimited access' and then say 'actually it's not according to this site that you'd have no reason to ever look at before purchasing'. If you look at an infomercial they at least try to motormouth whatever restrictions that may apply at the very end hoping you wouldn't notice it. The warzone pass needs to be reworded as: "Grants your character full access to regular Warzones for 7 days. You still need to subscribe to play in ranked WZ."

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zzoorrzz
06.20.2013 , 12:06 AM | #50
And again, apologists in this thread in full force.