ETA on Advanced Class change?

intelligent players know that ACs are your class... whiny little piles of crap wh never worked or earned anything in their life want everything handed to them for nothing... thats why posts like this always come up.

Give them AC swaps then they will want base class swaps, then they will want nightmare gear for just logging in. They do not want to earn anything they want to be handed everything

You hit this right on the money. This is not even a topic really and should never be and you get plenty of warning in game on class (AC) choice, in voice over and text format from NPC. There is enough out on every class so making a mistake on class (AC) choice is a idiot's argument.

Intelligent players know that AC's are nothing more than an arbitrary division between sets of spec's and not actually different classes.

Having 13 characters on two servers, I've earned everything I've done and yet I'd still like the option of trying out the "other specs" on my main character.

Class change shouldn't be considered because there are large differences between classes, but the differences between AC's are no different than those between spec's within an AC.

Since your posts have devolved into little more than name calling and have not once shown any sort of coherent argument against AC changes it proves to me that there really is no valid reason why AC changes shouldn't be implemented.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't be implemented without restriction as I fully believe that AC swapping should require as much effort as it does to unlock races for classes that do not allow those races at start, i.e. leveling up of the AC on another character. Since classes and AC's are mirrored, it wouldn't matter which faction was leveled up, only that the AC was "unlocked". The alternative is to offer it on the CM as an unlock much as the races are but I don't really like that idea all that much.

Constant leveling isn't fun, but variety is. I've healed with my commando main, I've dps'd, and I've made the effort to fully gear both sets of gear but I'd be interested in trying out commando tanking but have no interest in leveling up another commando just to do so. I have an imperial BH who could, but he exists only because I wanted to go through all of the story arcs and my guildies are republic so I can't tank with him unless I want to go pugging. I hate pugging.

It has nothing to do with lazy, or entitlement or whatever other insults you wish to throw because you have no other valid arguments. It has everything with wanting to do something new without the tediousness of rehashing old story lines and grinding out yet one more character to do so.

that is the definition of different classes. They are 100% different play styles and talent specs... That is what defines different classes in all MMOs of this style.

What is teh difference in a DK and warrior in wow???? playstyle and talent specs...

No.

In WoW, the three Warlock spec's are entirely different play styles in one class. In SWTOR, the AC's are nothing more than arbitrary dividers. Within Commando, Combat Medic, Gunnery and Assault Specialist are 3 different play styles within one division, while the other division has Tactics, Shield Specialist and Assault Specialist with 3 different play styles.

Each spec is a different play style in every single AC. Under your reasoning, each spec should be a different class.

ok... there is for warrior - Arms protection and fury... 3 specs 1 class... a powertech in SWTOR is advanced prototype, pyro, and shield tech... how are those not the same thing??

the answer is they are the same thing you just want them to be different to justify getting a free new class for no reason.

They are 3 specs, each with a different play style. Again, by your reasoning, each spec should be a class and you shouldn't be allowed to bounce between spec's because they are different from one another. But we can bounce between spec's. All people want is the ability to add 3 (well, 2 since one is shared) spec's from the other division within their class because the differences between AC's in SWTOR are very, very minor...about the same as the difference between spec's within one AC.

We're there large differences between AC's I would agree that they are different classes...but there aren't. The actual setup of Classes and AC's looks more like laziness on the Developers part by giving the illusion of 16 classes while really only having 4 classes each consisting of 5 specs. Your entire argument revolves around AC's being individual classes but they simply aren't different enough to be called a class in their own right. They are nothing more than artificial divisions between sets of specs.

And I don't want a "free" anything. I want the diversity of trying out the other specs without grinding out a 14th character to do so. Leveling has lost its allure...i.e. it just isn't fun any more. I'd rather be able to just respec to the other two specs on my already established main character.

Actually, unless I am mistaken, the term they used was "fundamentally different class designs". That sounds to me like they definitely used the term "different class". The actual quote has been posted countless times in this thread.

My question is how is something that is a "fundamentally different class design" be the same class? How can two AC's that are "fundamentally different class designs" not be different classes? That is was "fundamentally different class design" means, is it not?

you are confusing a different spec with a different class. There is no spec of a powertech that is ranged DPS... just like there is no spec of a merc that is melee. That is a base play style difference, the same difference in a mage and warrior in wow.

You are asking for a completely leveled new class... that is what ACs are they are different classes. That is wanting something for nothing. If you want a new class then level it up, stop acting like an immature child and begging to be handed something.

I definitely prefer option 7, although I would be less objecting of options 1 and 2 than any of the other options.