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Hey Dev's How about an actual expansion? Is that in the works ?

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Hey Dev's How about an actual expansion? Is that in the works ?

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Aries_cz
06.19.2013 , 03:30 PM | #21
OP, since you completely missed the fact that BioWare was bought by EA ages ago, and it was EA's money that even allowed this game to be conceived, many of your points are losing much of their value, as you just look uniformed and just spewing hate that "it is all EA's fault", as it is popular in many EA games.

New classes in SWTOR are increbidly complicated. As you have probably missed, each class is fully voiced, people react to it accordingly by titles (again, fully voiced) and has its own unique story. So new class will not happen any time soon. Advanced class? Maybe. Some special "Legendary" class? Also maybe. But no new classes.

New races are not ging to happen soon, again, it has been explained to death why. It would be too much work with remaking all custscenes to have proper camera angles in case of big/small races, no Galactic Basic speech (hearing wookie roar in all his missions would probably drive people insane).

Jedi/Sith characters were made similar in power to other characters for balance reasons. That is not a cop out, that is how the classes have to be, unless you want game filled with Jedi and not the other, often much more interesting, classes. Those classes are not some random schmucks either, they are "the best of the best", "Han Solos, Boba Fetts, etc of their time".

It seems you want SWG, so go play SWGemu.

Also, today, you can only calculate how well is MMO doing by looking at its incomes, not by looking at numbers of players. If extra income from CM is generating enough, you cannot just throw that away
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Ottoattack
06.19.2013 , 03:42 PM | #22
Is ROTHC an expansion? Of course it was, but its a $10 expansion that barely delivered $10 worth of content, thus it feels very lack luster.

I am also in favor of large expansion with much content for $30 to $50, but I do not think that what BW wants. I think we are currently in the decline stage of the product (SWTOR) where BW is trying to make as much money from the product before it dies. They have no intentions of investing in the game. Since the end of last year we have not received any unpaid content (ROTHC which is a planet, 2 dailies and an Ops is paid content). The next content will be in August which is 2 FPs and a daily section.

By the time version 2.4 hits it will be a stretch of 10-11 month with the only new unpaid content being 2 FPs, a daily and 1 event that will last 1-2 weeks, and no PvP content. That's $150-$165 worth of sub money for that content.

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JPryde
06.19.2013 , 03:54 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Nevaehh View Post
You're right BioWare was not eaten by EA in 2007, its been a slow consumption like the sarlac and yes GW2 is an entirely new game that just happens to build upon the old one and let the player keep their GW1 characters, accomplishments and areas ...
When did that happen? I admit, that I never played GW or GW2, but the Wiki of GW2 clearly states, that GW1 chars are NOT migrated to GW2. And it states, that both GW2 and GW will be continually supported, which in itself rules out GW2 being an expansion to GW.

Diablo3 is not an expansion of D2 either. Starcraft 2 is not an Expansion to Starcraft... Brood war is an expansion to Starcraft and Heart of the swarm is an expansion to Wings of Liberty.
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MillionsKNives
06.19.2013 , 04:05 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Ottoattack View Post
Is ROTHC an expansion? Of course it was, but its a $10 expansion that barely delivered $10 worth of content, thus it feels very lack luster.

I am also in favor of large expansion with much content for $30 to $50, but I do not think that what BW wants. I think we are currently in the decline stage of the product (SWTOR) where BW is trying to make as much money from the product before it dies. They have no intentions of investing in the game. Since the end of last year we have not received any unpaid content (ROTHC which is a planet, 2 dailies and an Ops is paid content). The next content will be in August which is 2 FPs and a daily section.

By the time version 2.4 hits it will be a stretch of 10-11 month with the only new unpaid content being 2 FPs, a daily and 1 event that will last 1-2 weeks, and no PvP content. That's $150-$165 worth of sub money for that content.
Too bad 1.7 and 2.2 throw a monkey wrench into your argument.

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Fastdoze
06.19.2013 , 04:05 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Nevaehh View Post
It adds on to the original game which makes it an expansion. But if you're going to get technical about it COV (City Of Villains) was an expansion to city of heroes and their last was an expansion as well.
to use your earlier example of Baldur's gate, does that mean BG 2 is just another expansion according to your logic, and those that were released as expansions are just updates of a single game? and then you refer to GW2 as an expansion.

Does this mean Dragon age 2 is an expansion to Dragon age origins? and what would that make dragon age awakening? these are just different examples that apply the same logic. Your credibility about knowing what an actual expansion is, is in question.

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chuixupu
06.19.2013 , 04:39 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by Nevaehh View Post
You're right BioWare was not eaten by EA in 2007, its been a slow consumption like the sarlac and yes GW2 is an entirely new game that just happens to build upon the old one and let the player keep their GW1 characters, accomplishments and areas ...
Incorrect. You can track your achievements from Gw1, but you can't bring your characters over. The games remain separate, but you can get some benefits from your old character's accomplishments if you link the accounts together through arenanet.
Anyway, it's not an expansion and all this conversation is completely inconsequential to anything regarding future swtor expansions.
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Knockerz
06.19.2013 , 04:40 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by Nevaehh View Post
You missed the point rather by accident or deliberate and I said there was a huge sub drop early in the game. I wasn't referring to now and are you counting actual subscriptions or the amount of F2P players that populate the game? there is a difference
Subscription numbers aren't as important. In F2P games it's the revenue or profits that are better indicator of success.
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Knockerz
06.19.2013 , 04:46 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Wut?

1) You do not get to define what is/is_not an expansion.. the company does. Any discussion about the definition of the term is circular at best, because people will bend terms to fit their agenda.

2) GW2 IS-NOT and expansion to GW. It's a different game entirely. If a different game entirely is how you define an expansion... I'm pretty sure the answer from Bioware will be NEVER.

An expansion is one that is sold in the store similar to the main game when it went live. That to me is a normal expansion.
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chuixupu
06.19.2013 , 04:55 PM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Knockerz View Post
An expansion is one that is sold in the store similar to the main game when it went live. That to me is a normal expansion.
That's just your definition. A lot of games have digital only expansions.

I doubt we will see any more hard copies of swtor expansions because the requirement for such an expansion is that the developer reserves shelf space at a high price for said product very far in advance. If they fail to make that deadline and need to push it back, they still have to pay the stores for that shelf space for that time.
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DarkDisturbed
06.19.2013 , 05:04 PM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by MillionsKNives View Post
Too bad 1.7 and 2.2 throw a monkey wrench into your argument.
What?...old content redone to death?