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Cartel Market Idea: Instant Level Cap Granted

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Cartel Market Idea: Instant Level Cap Granted

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Superman_AZ
06.19.2013 , 09:38 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Bomyne View Post
Why not just remove the level system all together then? Have everyone at a set level, and have all enemies at that level?

The goal is to provide additional options which might be fun for some people, especially those on a limited schedule who just want to experience the game and not turn it into a lifelong goal like WoW was. I'm not trying to subtract options from the game. Refer-A-Friend and Scroll-of-Resurrection had little to no impact on WoW as a whole, and that was a free 80 out of 90 levels. If you don't want to use this service, then don't. But don't just assume anyone who does will just be some stumbling idiot. I've played all of the class storylines when the game first launched. I'd love to go and do it again on other servers with RL friends, but it would be nice to have an instant Main on a server (like rolling a Death Knight @ 55).
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Lowyjowylof
06.19.2013 , 09:51 AM | #72
I would agree if it required:

Legacy 50
Completed chapter 3 of ALL base classes or level 55
Valor Rank 50 on 1 character
Social Rank 10 on 1 character
Do not intend to implement Advanced Class Respec
180 day CD Minimum (5000/10000 CC)
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Bomyne
06.19.2013 , 09:57 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post

The goal is to provide additional options which might be fun for some people, especially those on a limited schedule who just want to experience the game and not turn it into a lifelong goal like WoW was. I'm not trying to subtract options from the game. Refer-A-Friend and Scroll-of-Resurrection had little to no impact on WoW as a whole, and that was a free 80 out of 90 levels. If you don't want to use this service, then don't. But don't just assume anyone who does will just be some stumbling idiot. I've played all of the class storylines when the game first launched. I'd love to go and do it again on other servers with RL friends, but it would be nice to have an instant Main on a server (like rolling a Death Knight @ 55).
I was being sarcastic. But on a serious level, what'd be bad about replacing the leveling system with a different progression system? You'd still have to finish the first two worlds, and you'd still have to earn credits and commendations to get gear. I don't know how it'd work exactly, but I'm just putting the food for thought out there.

What I think should happen though is that any character that uses this service should be flagged. While that flag is active, they can not use group finder functionality, and can not enter a flashpoint portal. The only way to remove the flag would be to level one of that class (Scoundral for instance) to level 55 manually.

I come from WoW as a tank and I can't stress enough how horrible Scroll of resurrection made things. You get people who have been given level 80s, a bunch of spells, and gear... and they have no idea what any of it does. To WoW's credit, it does have a "Stupid mode" tutorial system on the spell tooltips, but that's still a lot of stuff thrown at the player all at once and no time to learn how to use it before they hop into level 80 instances and try to blunder their way to level 90.

Double XP and Refer a friend (WoW) are different.They might be faster XP, but you still HAVE to level. You have to take the time to slowly learn about your class. What it's strength and weaknesses are. How to manage it's resource.

Weather it is experience and levels, or a different progression system, you need to make sure players are given the time to learn how to play their class.

And before you go off on another Double XP weekend rant, check my history. I understand those that 'want a challenge' from questing as they go though the leveling planets. I don't. I want to enjoy the story content and learn about my class, not struggle because I skipped a few quests.

That's why I think minor experience boosts should be removed from the game, the current major XP boosts should be made cheaper and called minor, and a new major XP boost that grants 300% experience for three hours should be put in it's place. That way, we remove the need for double XP weekends, people that want a leveling challenge can have it, those that want to level faster can have it, and end game isn't ruined by insta-leveling. Win all round, right?

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Superman_AZ
06.19.2013 , 10:07 AM | #74

In all honesty, the best solution is an XP Slider. You still start at level 1, and have to level manually, but, on your slider, you can pay to unlock 150%, 200%, 250%, 500%, 1000% XP. That would make XP specific to the character, and not the game. The unlocks could be based on Legacy levels. So, as a for instance:

Legacy Level 3: 150% Unlock - 40k or 200cc
Legacy Level 6: 200% Unlock - 80k or 400cc
Legacy Level 9: 250% Unlock - 160k or 800cc
Legacy Level 12: 500% Unlock - 320k or 1600cc
Legacy Level 15: 1000% Unlock - 500k or 2000cc

This way, you could move your own character slider to the level of XP boost you want and NO ONE ELSE will ever be affected by how fast you are leveling. The only way to level faster is to level your legacy. So everything is manual and everyone wins

Either way, you still have to play your class quests to get your companions, so even at lvl 55, you would still have to go back and at least do class questing which would get you familiar with your abilities.
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Hyfy
06.19.2013 , 10:11 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by hchsiao View Post
Even blizzard only did it with RAF system and there is cap limitation. (lv 79 while cap is lv 90.) Player actually have to level together to earn level before level can be grant to veteran account.

I actually would welcome if SWTOR have similar system, since you only get a vehicle with RAF in SWTOR.

What is the point to hit lv 55 in sec when you have no gear and have no idea how to play the class? No matter if it is PVE or PVP. Hardcore pvper want to skip the boring leveling part? That is interesting because Hardcore PVPer can level though pvp just fine. I am pretty much leveling my second sage as healer through pvp at this point.

I guess people want to take short cut than they can whine about be raped by Partisan / Conqueror / Firebrand geared player in warzone or kicked out heroic flashpoint / operation because they don't have the gear.
In another thread I believe it was Eric mentioned they are adding more rewards to the RAF promotion. Wasn't specific about what exactly but did say there was more coming.
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Hyfy
06.19.2013 , 10:16 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by MrJurgens View Post
"You are rude and condescending..."
"quite frankly a dolt"

Because the Biodrones sure aren't...



Yes I was the goose giving a little bit of it back to the gander, but you opened the door wide open, unprovoked I might add. And Biodrone? Well that's a first. I have been called many things but Biodrone is a first. No if you actually had a clue and knew what you were talking about you might actually realize that I have called out Bioware as well as compliment them. But I wouldn't expect you yo actually know what you are on about with me. Broad brush condescending remarks are the weapon of choice for you as can be clearly seen especially in your recent posting history.
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Hyfy
06.19.2013 , 10:24 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
This is something that should be on test server anyway IMO. Either frogs or the ability to just create a level 55 character for testing content.

You should have the choice of either creating a character at level 1 or one that is maxed, fully geared and the like to test end game.
It is on the test server, or at least was when 2.0 was being tested. They had a terminal.you could go to that would instantly level you to 55 so you could test the new content. If you are meaning something else then I missed what you were getting at.
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RWScissors
06.19.2013 , 10:25 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post

In all honesty, the best solution is an XP Slider. You still start at level 1, and have to level manually, but, on your slider, you can pay to unlock 150%, 200%, 250%, 500%, 1000% XP. That would make XP specific to the character, and not the game. The unlocks could be based on Legacy levels. So, as a for instance:

Legacy Level 3: 150% Unlock - 40k or 200cc
Legacy Level 6: 200% Unlock - 80k or 400cc
Legacy Level 9: 250% Unlock - 160k or 800cc
Legacy Level 12: 500% Unlock - 320k or 1600cc
Legacy Level 15: 1000% Unlock - 500k or 2000cc

This way, you could move your own character slider to the level of XP boost you want and NO ONE ELSE will ever be affected by how fast you are leveling. The only way to level faster is to level your legacy. So everything is manual and everyone wins

Either way, you still have to play your class quests to get your companions, so even at lvl 55, you would still have to go back and at least do class questing which would get you familiar with your abilities.
Yeah, that sounds pretty good.
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Akushii
06.19.2013 , 10:26 AM | #79
If you are against leveling and want to hit insta-55, can't you just go play on the PTS server? If I am not mistaken, you can do it somewhere on the fleet.

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Hyfy
06.19.2013 , 10:27 AM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by Lowyjowylof View Post
I would agree if it required:

Legacy 50
Completed chapter 3 of ALL base classes or level 55
Valor Rank 50 on 1 character
Social Rank 10 on 1 character
Do not intend to implement Advanced Class Respec
180 day CD Minimum (5000/10000 CC)
Why valor rank 50 and social 10? Some people just like running solo and many others hate PvP, in part because of the mentality of some of those people who do, and don't run it at all.
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