Why the disappointed don't leave...

When Wild Star and/or Elder Scrolls hits....we will

Yes if this game wasn't star wars it would have failed a day after launch.

EAware knows this so they are taking advantage of these puppets.

END STATE: Game is bad, EAware is bad.

First, i had written a massive reply but managed to crash chrome and lose it:P

We were having a current-state-of-play in general chat just before server downtime and people were moaning that the game had a lack of arenas etc....do they realise it took blizz almost 3 years to release arenas? with the amount of money and dev team sizes at their disposal it took that long.

I both love and hate WoW...best game i ever played (but id prefer to poke my own eyes out with a fork after 7 years of playing it) and the reason I hate it...it has pretty much killed the MMO genre....Nobody can possibly, apart from blizz with the money they made out of WoW, afford to release an MMO with a feature set comparable to WoW...i truly believe WoW has killed the market cause every new game people (and i have been guilty in the past, heck i stopped playing SWTOR after i got to 50 and the lack of a LFG tool) will try it and it hasnt the same polish and features current WoW has so they end up slagging it off and going back to sit in Ogrimmar wondering what to do! The only real winners are those the persevere and watch the new game blossom.

I think too many people look at this game subjectively rather than objectively....heck at any game other than WoW.

It is the general attitude of a lot of people these days....like how on earth can a F2P seriously justify slagging the game off...yet they do. Is like giving some begger in WoW a 100g and them telling you 100g is an insult!.

People want everything and they want it now...look no further for proof than the state of the world's economy or the £50,000 car parked outside the £100,000 house.

Please OP ask yourself what other game, measured by the same yard-stick, was any better at the same point?

This isn't a flame/troll....I just don't get what people expect or rather why they expect it and expect it immediately.

How can any new MMO ever succeed under these conditions...especially with the way finances are.

Unfortunately it is the nature of the market and the modern consumer. Yes, WoW has had lots of time to build the content they have, but a consumer does not generally look at that IMO, they look at A has this and B has that...and then looks at what is the best value for it's dollar.

That's just how it works IMO.

Great point. Also if we want to talk about failures of this game, EA/BioWare can't win because you get the players complaining when the release gets pushed back and the same players complaining when they rush release the game or content and there's either not enough or it's buggy.

And yet, here you are.

"If you hate it so much, why don't you leave?"

This is a question many of us who are critical of SWTOR are asked by others regularly. Here's my reason:

I first became aware of the Star Wars universe in the summer of 1977. I have been in love with it ever since. The ideology, the effects, the stories were amazing especially for something in the science fiction genre. It ushered in a new era of forward looking and thinking fiction like nothing before.

The point is after 36 years, whether it be BioWare, Marvel Comics, an Expanded Universe novel, the Prequel Trilogy or anything else... if you put the name Star Wars on it, we the fans will be all over it. We will quickly tell you if what you are doing with the Star Wars universe is unworthy of the name. We will scratch and claw and fight until we are satisfied or until it's over. But, we will NOT abandon it. While it bears the Star Wars name, it's part of us. Count on us being here and count on our praise and/or criticism.

Self important, anti social, MMO gamers are probably the most vitriolic set of gamers on the planet. Lots of time on their hands, not a lot of social commitments. Their best chance for self actualization are these forums. They HAVE to be important because, truth be told, this is pretty much all they do.

I'm not even trying to be insulting but I have met these people. We have several of them here at work. You can't even get a word in edgewise when you have a conversation with them. Its just another walk of life I guess, but its self hating and poisonous. I stay away from it.