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ivanhedgehog
06.18.2013 , 06:02 PM | #131
Quote: Originally Posted by Chylla View Post
Assuming a credit boom gives ~50k each (I used 5 and got 260k, so that's not entirely unfeasable), I could use the 4 datacubes to give me 3,200,000 credits right off the bat for 16 characters I have. Nice return on investment, eh? THEN it gets worse. I could create a character, speed run them through Korriban and DK and run them to Nar Shaddaa to use the datacubes to collect 200k plus whatever he/she earned doing the speedrunning. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum until you get filthy rich exploiting a HUGE bug. This loop has since been closed since the credit booms have been removed. For those of you that are trying to make excuses for it to come back, understand that if they CAME BACK, you'd see those 15k medpacs, 25k stims and whatnot QUICKLY balloon into millions, billions or more EACH because of the abusers of the bug to get infinite credits for very little work.
you go ahead and spend that time "speed" leveling. I will do dailies for the same amount of time and make a hell of a lot more than you. Will they nerf dailies? not likely. They accepted 60 cartel coins to unlock the cubes. they need to put them back and remove them from the collection list. If there are 6 ways of fixing a problem, BW will use 5 AND 6 because they were the worst possible choices.

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SithKoriandr
06.18.2013 , 07:06 PM | #132
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Nonsequitur to the discussion. I assume you are referring to CoX.. for which there were underlying reasons why NCsoft management shut it down. I don't agree with them..but hey.. their game.. their choice. They chose to send a clear message to their studios to tow the company line and behave. I have to give them credit as it was a very Korean thing to do (from a business perspective).
You miss the point. The point is, BWEA could do anything with the market and by what you're saying, it's okay. You don't THINK they'll do certain things, but they could, and if people just accept it, they will, because it brings in the most money.

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Just because they have a separate team working the deployment of CM content does not mean they are siloed and do not borrow and collaborate with the core content team. In fact, content to date in the CM suggests that they do in fact collaborate and borrow content.
Then it goes back to taking away time from content updates to get out more CM content.

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A convenient, biased, and narrow minded perspective IMO. Do you really sincerely believe these short and disconnected cutscenes in the data cubes are anything other then a simple novelty and gimmick? Seriously??
I believe if we accept any amount of story content as being okay to sell in RNG Packs, we'll start seeing them keeping going down the road of "Pay for this new content! Don't worry it's free though, because we give you Free Cartel Coins with your sub, so you just have to pay using those."

And I say this as a player who is okay with RNG Packs! I just don't think any story content, no matter how trivial to some it may be, should be in a RNG pack. I also don't think people should be cheated out of their RL money on an item they were using as intended "Experience short story cut scene, then pick 1 of these 3 rewards"

So, they use them as intended. If BW/EA said "We screwed up, here's your CC back on these packs and collection unlocks you spent money on, for trying to get an item as is but we took it away" then I wouldn't have a problem with the change.
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SithKoriandr
06.18.2013 , 07:14 PM | #133
Quote: Originally Posted by ivanhedgehog View Post
you go ahead and spend that time "speed" leveling. I will do dailies for the same amount of time and make a hell of a lot more than you. Will they nerf dailies? not likely. They accepted 60 cartel coins to unlock the cubes. they need to put them back and remove them from the collection list. If there are 6 ways of fixing a problem, BW will use 5 AND 6 because they were the worst possible choices.
To unlock the ship, doesn't it just take just the completion of class stories? That when ran with a high level, can likely be blown through in no time for 200k creds, plus the class story rewards. Repeat. Run it with 3 others same class, enter at same spot and speed through...600k space bar, done! All it really takes is how fast they can run from point A to point B (though I can also swear I did enter a player ship before I got one before, but I could be mistaken on that, or it could've been patched since then).
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Mike_Bluesky
06.18.2013 , 09:58 PM | #134
There is no discussion with Andryah. Lore = shouldn't be in the CM. You can bend reality however you want.

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Lithy
06.18.2013 , 10:18 PM | #135
I play this game for the story, the rewards are meaningless to me from the datacubes. I bought the datacubes for the sole purpose of the story. No other reason. To me this is pay to get content. You may not go kill mobs, or pick stuff up. I dont care about that...content to me is the story, the lore, the cutscenes. This is content in the cartel market.

Cutscenes are either fluff or they arn't. All cutscenes are fluff or no cutscenes are fluff, you can't twist and bend it to your own will.
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SithKoriandr
06.18.2013 , 11:24 PM | #136
Quote: Originally Posted by Lithy View Post
I play this game for the story, the rewards are meaningless to me from the datacubes. I bought the datacubes for the sole purpose of the story. No other reason. To me this is pay to get content. You may not go kill mobs, or pick stuff up. I dont care about that...content to me is the story, the lore, the cutscenes. This is content in the cartel market.

Cutscenes are either fluff or they arn't. All cutscenes are fluff or no cutscenes are fluff, you can't twist and bend it to your own will.
And TOR sold itself on the LORE and STORY!
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry

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JimG
06.19.2013 , 12:48 AM | #137
Quote: Originally Posted by SweetsPatogga View Post
Without the credit boom it's completely useless to a level 55 player.

Most people who get these cubes will be 55s since lower level players will not be able to afford them on the GTN.
You can't possibly be serious. On The Harbinger, you can get any of the datacubes for less than 75,000 credits and the cheapest one right now is 25,000. Hardly difficult for anyone to afford.

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Soluss
06.19.2013 , 02:41 AM | #138
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
You can't possibly be serious. On The Harbinger, you can get any of the datacubes for less than 75,000 credits and the cheapest one right now is 25,000. Hardly difficult for anyone to afford.
Could have changed since last night but they were going around 150 to 250k on my server. One of the cubes was lower but the other 3 were not. Your experience on your server != everyone.
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darkbadeo
06.19.2013 , 04:39 AM | #139
the cutscenes are diff background story
and the used intent is that those that are into lore can learn something new about why things happen or what is going to happen

i agree that lore content should never EVER be in the cartel market so they made a big no no in the first place

but stating that these items are fluff only will get alot of lore entusiasts on your hide

if bioware wanted to stop people from using the exploit they could have just made it that the item can not be shared trough your account as they did the same with the cartel armor that already had mods in them (you cant share those account wide)
that would have been a way better solution then completely removing a reward EVERYONE took from it
causeit was the most valued item in the reward list
major exp? not worth 20k
that other price
even lower
credit boom? chance on getting 50k
i know whati would have chosen

so no bioware did not think this trough
they made a mistake but i doubt they will change it cause its still a fix for a exploit they themselfs made
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SithKoriandr
06.19.2013 , 07:05 AM | #140
Quote: Originally Posted by JimG View Post
You can't possibly be serious. On The Harbinger, you can get any of the datacubes for less than 75,000 credits and the cheapest one right now is 25,000. Hardly difficult for anyone to afford.
What also happened? They got rid of the decent reward. It's not being said everyone cares about the lore. And even for those who do, without a decent reward with the items, they're just as likely to see it on one character then not worry about it.

BW screwed up with the whole datacube idea. It was content put into a RNG Pack, that's not only a rare drop, it got people to spend EXTRA CC just to unlock it for it's rewards, to have that taken away from them.

BW should've seen that coming when they said "Yeah. Let's put the item with a Credit Boom Reward in the collections tab, so people can pay a one time fee for free credits!" and then call it an exploit on the players part, and then remove the reward. Let's be honest, do you think people would've unlocked the datacube collections if it had a lousy reward?
"It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more...than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so *********** what." - Stephen Fry