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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 10:50 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Sohaim View Post
omg andryah i was really expecting you would not touch this subject because no matter how many arguments you bring, those 4 cutscenes are not "Fluff", no matter how many beautiful words you try to use to cover you lack of argument, those cubes should not be on CM, it is Story, its a quest that requires you to go to a place, it gives insigh about the shroud and its very interesting, its fall under the category of side quest, just like all makeb, its not required, its also faux, we do not need it to advance our personal story, just like i avoided balmorra,hoth,correlian and voss on my shadow and went even makeb and went straight to lv 55, its Story and it SHOULD not be on the CM, no Planet quest is required to advance, you can always pvp or do something else, please stop using these same "faux" arguments that HyFy was bringing all the time.
Do they unlock special mission chains that give you access to new content and rewards that people who do not have them are denied? Huh? Do they? Do they?

I will wait patiently while you describe objectively what playable content they add to the game that is denied to others.

Protip: a stand alone cutscene =/= content or rewards.... though I grant that Lore Lovers who collect lore will like them. But that is true of all lore in this game. The lore is not a requirement to play the game or progress in the game. Lore is Lore. But somehow I don't detect that you are a lore collector.
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Andryah
06.18.2013 , 10:53 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike_Bluesky View Post
Ahh, I missed you Andryah, where have you been whole last week? They are not fluff. They were not made by CM team, they add quest to your log, I can't wear them, show them to other players (I consider this fluff). And above all, they add lore to the game.

All of this is already discussed on the 20+ page thread about this issue.
Lore is not playable content. It is fluff that you can admire and immerse yourself in for sure. Then again, so are the armor skins that are CM only.

Fluff is fluff. I'm not saying fluff is not valued by players. It is to many. But it is still fluff. Fluff adds immersion elements to an MMO for players, but it does not provide playable content or progression paths and progression dependencies into the MMO. There is a difference.
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Mike_Bluesky
06.18.2013 , 10:54 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Do they unlock special mission chains that give you access to new content and rewards that people who do not have them are denied? Huh? Do they? Do they?

I will wait patiently while you describe objectively what playable content they add to the game that is denied to others.

Protip: a stand alone cutscene =/= content or rewards.... though I grant that Lore Lovers who collect lore will like them. But that is true of all lore in this game. The lore is not a requirement to play the game or progress in the game. Lore is Lore. But somehow I don't detect that you are a lore collector.
So we agree that it is lore and not fluff. And this is the only argument needed in discussion if this should be in the CM.
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TUXs
06.18.2013 , 10:55 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Protip: a stand alone cutscene =/= content or rewards.... though I grant that Lore Lovers who collect lore will like them. But that is true of all lore in this game. The lore is not a requirement to play the game or progress in the game. Lore is Lore.
Yet, one of the biggest ongoing issues we've had since launch, revolves directly around "cut-scenes". I find it ironic that even you Andryah, would classify a cut-scene as "content" when it comes to telling players to SPACEBAR through them, yet, if it's sold as a cartel item, it's suddenly "fluff".
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NovemberAllthing
06.18.2013 , 10:59 AM | #45
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So... you are only in it for the rewards then? I see.
Excuse me? After having the story on one character and buying something on the cartel market, why else do you Legacy unlock something? So you will have the reward on another character...that's what legacy unlocks are for. Yes, I paid money to have the quests and their REWARDS on all my characters. You're really going to try to shame me for that?

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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 10:59 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Do they unlock special mission chains that give you access to new content and rewards that people who do not have them are denied? Huh? Do they? Do they?

I will wait patiently while you describe objectively what playable content they add to the game that is denied to others.

Protip: a stand alone cutscene =/= content or rewards.... though I grant that Lore Lovers who collect lore will like them. But that is true of all lore in this game. The lore is not a requirement to play the game or progress in the game. Lore is Lore. But somehow I don't detect that you are a lore collector.
oh you are so wrong, SO wrong, first off i am one, i even read all the freaking email the companions and NPC send and as we speak i am 4 classes to finish the story of this(two of them are finishing chapter 1, engeneering studend here< i do not have as much time i would have liked), they are lore and stand alone cutscene that provides Information about the story of the game/npcs/watvevs is CONTENT, it has the Shroud speaking and giving insigh on his objectives and if i am not mistaken thats what we do in all the story quest rights? we go in for the story to listen to those npcs and to learn whats going on thats the fourth pillar of this game, so those cubes have content, its 4 now, but i bet that are WAY more to come, which is obviously the Shroud personal datalogs, which is being sold on the CM, just by the fact that you have to go to a place to click on the objective to trigger that, are you sure that does not remind you of anything? are you sure? because some companions have quest JUST like that, you go in a planet, sometimes fight or not, on the JK you do not, you go there and see kira talking to someone then you leave, it is a cutscene, its extra and lore, same deal as the cube.

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Reno_Tarshil
06.18.2013 , 11:00 AM | #47
Do they provide you with a codex entry? If not then it is fluff and not worth going into rabid rages over.

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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 11:01 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Lore is not playable content. It is fluff that you can admire and immerse yourself in for sure. Then again, so are the armor skins that are CM only.

Fluff is fluff. I'm not saying fluff is not valued by players. It is to many. But it is still fluff. Fluff adds immersion elements to an MMO for players, but it does not provide playable content or progression paths and progression dependencies into the MMO. There is a difference.
it is playable content, we have to go to Nar shaddaa, the travel alone is playable, are you telling that many of the companions quests are Fluff? if lore is fluff then the whole freaking game is fluff, read what you are typing lol.

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Mike_Bluesky
06.18.2013 , 11:02 AM | #49
Many quests don't provide codex entries, this is not a valid argument.
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Sohaim
06.18.2013 , 11:02 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by Reno_Tarshil View Post
Do they provide you with a codex entry? If not then it is fluff and not worth going into rabid rages over.
i am sorry but does all of the quests in this game provides a Codex lol?