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Why the disappointed don't leave...

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OpenSorce
06.18.2013 , 04:31 AM | #1
"If you hate it so much, why don't you leave?"

This is a question many of us who are critical of SWTOR are asked by others regularly. Here's my reason:

I first became aware of the Star Wars universe in the summer of 1977. I have been in love with it ever since. The ideology, the effects, the stories were amazing especially for something in the science fiction genre. It ushered in a new era of forward looking and thinking fiction like nothing before.

The point is after 36 years, whether it be BioWare, Marvel Comics, an Expanded Universe novel, the Prequel Trilogy or anything else... if you put the name Star Wars on it, we the fans will be all over it. We will quickly tell you if what you are doing with the Star Wars universe is unworthy of the name. We will scratch and claw and fight until we are satisfied or until it's over. But, we will NOT abandon it. While it bears the Star Wars name, it's part of us. Count on us being here and count on our praise and/or criticism.

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JohnyHoward
06.18.2013 , 04:36 AM | #2
Yes if this game wasn't star wars it would have failed a day after launch.

EAware knows this so they are taking advantage of these puppets.

END STATE: Game is bad, EAware is bad.

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Vassise
06.18.2013 , 04:44 AM | #3
Star Wars is the only thing keeping this game up. They cancelled SWG for this, now its the only star wars mmo out there.

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Lord_Karsk
06.18.2013 , 04:49 AM | #4
Yea that is the truth !!! starwars name still keep people around but-

This game launched and still dont have the most importen things that belong in a starwars game.

Minigames
Animal mounts
Vehicle and space combat
Canon force user outfits, most of them look like garbage that belong in wow and aliens.
This game spit in the face on Kotor characters like Revan, Exile etc making them weak jokes you can kill.
World story arc at end game is pure garbage, Dread masters story is beyond bad and they are not canon!
Removing players from the planets by forcing people on the worst place in the game, fleet.
Total lack of PvP support.


So yeah sad stuff, just imagine how big this game could have been.......

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Princz
06.18.2013 , 04:53 AM | #5
Quote: Originally Posted by OpenSorce View Post
"If you hate it so much, why don't you leave?"

This is a question many of us who are critical of SWTOR are asked by others regularly. Here's my reason:

I first became aware of the Star Wars universe in the summer of 1977. I have been in love with it ever since. The ideology, the effects, the stories were amazing especially for something in the science fiction genre. It ushered in a new era of forward looking and thinking fiction like nothing before.

The point is after 36 years, whether it be BioWare, Marvel Comics, an Expanded Universe novel, the Prequel Trilogy or anything else... if you put the name Star Wars on it, we the fans will be all over it. We will quickly tell you if what you are doing with the Star Wars universe is unworthy of the name. We will scratch and claw and fight until we are satisfied or until it's over. But, we will NOT abandon it. While it bears the Star Wars name, it's part of us. Count on us being here and count on our praise and/or criticism.
Yeah keep telling em that and we ll see new content @ 2020
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JPryde
06.18.2013 , 04:56 AM | #6
Quote: Originally Posted by JohnyHoward View Post
Yes if this game wasn't star wars it would have failed a day after launch.
And if WoW did not have Blizzards and Warcrafts reputation at its back, the MMORPG genre would still be in its niche and I would be a lot happier with the development of it in general.

Your point is like arguing "My computer would totally suck, if there were no CPU !" or "My car would be totally broke, if it did not have wheels!"

And again... I am honoring and welcoming constructive ciritcism... What I just do not understand is why people are admitting to doing "forum PvP" actively trying to discredit this game and its players as good as they can, until their sub finally runs out.

Mindless "you sucks" posts and "eaware fail"-posts are not criticism... they are only blind hate.
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Devlonir
06.18.2013 , 04:56 AM | #7
Quote: Originally Posted by OpenSorce View Post
"If you hate it so much, why don't you leave?"

This is a question many of us who are critical of SWTOR are asked by others regularly. Here's my reason:

I first became aware of the Star Wars universe in the summer of 1977. I have been in love with it ever since. The ideology, the effects, the stories were amazing especially for something in the science fiction genre. It ushered in a new era of forward looking and thinking fiction like nothing before.

The point is after 36 years, whether it be BioWare, Marvel Comics, an Expanded Universe novel, the Prequel Trilogy or anything else... if you put the name Star Wars on it, we the fans will be all over it. We will quickly tell you if what you are doing with the Star Wars universe is unworthy of the name. We will scratch and claw and fight until we are satisfied or until it's over. But, we will NOT abandon it. While it bears the Star Wars name, it's part of us. Count on us being here and count on our praise and/or criticism.
Nice general idea..

Problem is, most Star Wars fans of old like you can't look past the glasses of nostalgia you felt almost 40 years ago and don't understand that Star Wars was always a product of it's time. You want the 70s/80s space fantasy in a day and age when Sci Fi, and Star Wars with it, has evolved beyond that.

If they would make Star Wars according to your specs, your generation would love it.. but nobody else would.
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LaniAkepa
06.18.2013 , 05:00 AM | #8
....Because there is a dedicated fan base for star wars, and EA is testing that resilience to vampires. Vampires will lose.

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TheNahash
06.18.2013 , 05:15 AM | #9
Quote: Originally Posted by OpenSorce View Post
"If you hate it so much, why don't you leave?"

This is a question many of us who are critical of SWTOR are asked by others regularly.
There's a huge difference between being critical and spewing vitriol.
No one has (or should have) a problem with constructive criticism because that's the kind of feedback that will eventually make the game better for everyone.

What I personally find annoying (and definitely not constructive) is that there are people who pay and play a game they hate with so much passion that they are willing to hijack threads that have no connection to their issues just to make some random comment about how awful the game is. Again and again.

And I'm sorry but no, there is no logic behind the idea that someone who hates the game stays in it because they grew up with the original movies. There are other ways to continue to enjoy the mythology of Star Wars that do not include paying for something they hate. This is not about loyalty to the IP, it's masochism at its purest form.

Star Wars fans are infamous for their inability to adapt to anything new and the fact they love to build up and overhype anything even remotely connected to Star Wars only to bring it down a few moments later.
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Fingster
06.18.2013 , 05:26 AM | #10
First, i had written a massive reply but managed to crash chrome and lose it:P

We were having a current-state-of-play in general chat just before server downtime and people were moaning that the game had a lack of arenas etc....do they realise it took blizz almost 3 years to release arenas? with the amount of money and dev team sizes at their disposal it took that long.

I both love and hate WoW...best game i ever played (but id prefer to poke my own eyes out with a fork after 7 years of playing it) and the reason I hate it...it has pretty much killed the MMO genre....Nobody can possibly, apart from blizz with the money they made out of WoW, afford to release an MMO with a feature set comparable to WoW...i truly believe WoW has killed the market cause every new game people (and i have been guilty in the past, heck i stopped playing SWTOR after i got to 50 and the lack of a LFG tool) will try it and it hasnt the same polish and features current WoW has so they end up slagging it off and going back to sit in Ogrimmar wondering what to do! The only real winners are those the persevere and watch the new game blossom.

I think too many people look at this game subjectively rather than objectively....heck at any game other than WoW.

It is the general attitude of a lot of people these days....like how on earth can a F2P seriously justify slagging the game off...yet they do. Is like giving some begger in WoW a 100g and them telling you 100g is an insult!.

People want everything and they want it now...look no further for proof than the state of the world's economy or the £50,000 car parked outside the £100,000 house.

Please OP ask yourself what other game, measured by the same yard-stick, was any better at the same point?

This isn't a flame/troll....I just don't get what people expect or rather why they expect it and expect it immediately.

How can any new MMO ever succeed under these conditions...especially with the way finances are.