ETA on Advanced Class change?

Skill trees give only a couple to few abilities that only benefit that tree.

Never said it shouldn't be allowed. People are changing roles all of the time. I'm just saying, that our Jugg tank is no longer useful if he roles a Mara instead.

If a Jugg tank went to DPS in his own free time, hell I wouldn't give a damm. But going from a Jugg Tank to a Mara makes sure that he won't be doing any Tanking, which makes him unuseable for the guild. If he then would change back to a Jugg Tank again? Well, after how MMO's is doing it, I'm pretty sure it would hurt his wallet to the point he couldn't be arsed to do it.

to reiterate. if people are forced into a role instead of choosing a role - its not fun for anyone involved and games should be fun.

he's switching to dps either way. he's STILL not tanking? or are you saying that he's useless unless he plays a role he might not be interested in playing anymore (considering he's switching to dps? )

This is a very narrow view of things and completely self-centered.

Somehow I find it really funny that you're trying to villainize me for forcing people to play a role I completetly agree that people should never be forced to play something they don't like. Hence, I've always refused to go Darkness or Madness due to me simply not enjoying playing those specs (assassin)

Yet, if a guy comes to me and wants to be our main Tank for the raid, then I'm fully expecting him to be a tank, and not a Mara going beskerk with DPS. Then I couldn't care if he would be an Assassin, Jugg or Powertech. As long as he were tanking.

Hell, could he tank like a boss with a Mara, go for it. But I highly doubt he would be able to.



As I said, if he went to his DPS tree when he weren't in operations, then I wouldn't care at all. But if he signs up as a tank, then I fully expect him to tank.

If he then later on finds it boring to play a Tank? Hell, so be it. One shouldn't be something which they don't enjoy to play. If that happens, and no DPS spots is left. Yes, he is no longer useful then.

and that would be his choice to make then. knowing that there are no dps spots left. people change their minds all the time.

I've been raiding for a number of years now in more than one MMO and during those years? guess what. not only I and other raiders have switched main specs within the same character - we have also switched raiding characters and... somehow, the world didn't end and somehow people rearranged and found a place, because good player is useful regardless of their role, so smart guilds find a way. on a flipside, bad player is useless even if they play a needed role, in fact, they are worse than useless, they are detrimental to the success of the group. even if they are a tank. ESPECIALLY if they are a tank

so someone switching roles within a single character? is no different from what's already happening and has been happening. not to mention... if AC switch is not heavily restricted, there won't be as much difference between switching between mara and jugg as you think there will be.

In all honesty, you don't seem to quite understand my standpoint in this whole discussion.

I've never said that switiching a Advance Class is a bad thing. I'm not directly against it, nor am I directly with it. I wouldn't mind if it were there, nor do I mind it isn't here.

I'm simply saying that Switching your Advanced Class is far from the same from switching your spec in World of Warcraft. Since switching an advanced Class would be like switching from a Mage to a Rogue, or any other class for that matter.

As of now, we already can switch our talents like you've always could in WoW. Bioware have stated multiple times that your Advanced Class choice is final, and I'm simply insanely curious as to why people find it so bothering. If you chose your advanced Class in level 0, people wouldn't be bothered at all.

1. no, switching advanced classes in TOR is not like switching from warrior to rogue in WoW, and I explained why. story. TOR is not WoW. its a different game. and classes revolve mainly around story. story is the uniting factor. story can be finished without ever picking an advanced class. you can make it to lvl 55 without ever picking advanced class. and the only thing that truly changes? is a number of skills you have access to. that's it.

2. your last sentence answers your own question. people pick out their class originally for variety of reasons, but for the first 10 levels? you are just warrior. the way your specialization is even set up, is merely a part of the story. it changes your playstyle, but it doesn't fundamentally change your class. you are still sith warrior, or sith inquisitor, or agent, etc etc.

your character login screen tells you that's what you are. it doesn't specify marauder or juggernaut. it says sith warrior.

so is it a wonder that many people see THAT as a class, not advanced specialization?

I actually don't personally care whether they implement this ability or not, because I have no personal use for it. I have more than enough alts to cover most possibilities and enjoy certain stories enough to replay them over and over. I just get... lets call it mildly irritated at people who claim that switching between marauder and jugg is the same as switching between warrior and rogue and that advanced class IS the class.

no. its not.

Bioware tells you directly that your choice is permanent, either live with it or reroll.

Most valid argument against implementing this feature there is. More people need to stand on this argument instead of wobbly excuses like bad players and ninja looters.

EDIT: that reads bad, like i'm saying you're one of those people... that wasn't the intention. was actually supposed to be more of a compliment/agreeance.