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ELRunninW
06.17.2013 , 01:00 PM | #21
I am not an expert, but current solution seems brilliant to me. You get to play for free, you never, ever have to pay a penny. On the other hand you can make a single purchase and get 'preferred' status granting you more access to the game content. You can also buy a subscription and get full access, not a problem.

When subscribers are asked to pay for not necessary content, aesthetics, it is considered wrong move, why? Do you want to pimp up your chiss? You better drop some dough.
Expansion access is a different story, but it was very cheap anyway, so cheap it should not even be mentioned. Sure we can agree or disagree if it was worth the money. I personally, do not like Makeb, yet I must buy it to get access to level 55 content.

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Knockerz
06.17.2013 , 01:48 PM | #22
It's fine as is. FTP players buy passes or other stuff on gtm, which helps both the in game economy and provides BW by creating a demand for cm items. It works out fine in other FTP games, so long as the cash shop items are only cosmetics or grant services like warzones, extra storage space, and so forth.
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Aries_cz
06.17.2013 , 01:55 PM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by Canmore View Post
cartel market would be much more acceptable if they used the revenue to create interesting stories for the game . maybe they plan to its kinda early to tell i beleave development needs a year in advance planning to get right .

in all honesty i think after a highly succesfull launch they used most of that cash to pay off loans and the rest went into investors pockets ,. as we know the game had a huge dip in subs about 6 months into the game and they where clutching at straws to know how to pay for development . so we got f2p .

they are likely running about 6 months behind in preplanned content and probably some projects got cancelled.. now the question is . what are they using cartel market revenue for. to appease investors or make a great game .

it will take another 7 months to tell in a fair minded way if we are just getting milked by grey suited buisnessmen or they are serious about creating a great game for players
First of all, the revenue most likely does not go to SWTOR or even to BioWare brand's budget. It all goes to EA (along with profits from other games), which redistributes it to all tis games.
Second of all, creating stories takes much more time than putting together a 3D model or armor (one needs a team of writers, designers, voice artists, etc, the second one needs one guy with Maya or some similar 3D tool). Stories will come, Patch 2.3 promises new daily zone, new event and probably new flashpoint(s). And we just had an expansion pack which brought lots of new story (two Makebs, shroud, seeker missions)
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curtkram
06.17.2013 , 02:13 PM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
Game is doing fine, in spite of your biased critique.
isn't that what you said just before f2p was announced, and scorpianne (if memory serves, which it sometimes doesn't) had all of those population spreadsheets from torstatus.net speculation, and the rest of us knew the servers were dead, but even back then you would defend to the death?

i guess here are some vague examples to start with. other people were trying to explain how their servers were dieing, and you pointing out how your server was still quite strong.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...63&postcount=2

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...08&postcount=7

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...54&postcount=2

you've always believed bioware knew what they were doing. you've always believed they wouldn't let down the loyal players. you refused to consider the alternative then, which was that servers were rapidly dieing. no matter what i say now, no matter what anyone says, you will still believe that.

except for here, where you said:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=505287
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
I don't like F2P games either as they really are not free unless you only want 25% access to the content. They invite a lot of non-loyal game rabble into the game (as does the 30 free days that comes with a game actually). With 27 essentially full and active servers in the game, it's nowhere near a scenario where it needs to go free to play. Games like GW2 will scoop up most of the "F2P crowd" over the next 12 months anyway.

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KorathTheCool
06.17.2013 , 03:03 PM | #25
Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
This is nonsense IMO. They definitely can promote both channels of business at the same time. Their operating results reported in the last earnings call support this.
They can, he's arguing they shouldn't. And I think subscribers should be given something small occasionally just as a reminder that we still care that you are subscribing. As in content wise. If they put small content out for subs (something like the Gree event, or HK that you can also access in the CM) that is free to subs, even once every few updates, I'd happily let them keep my monthly CC stipend.

Quote: Originally Posted by Andryah View Post
You are just one of the keester-hurt subscribers that don't like the CM IMO. You want it all for your sub price. Thing is with the coin allowance you get with your sub... with time you can have it all for the price of your sub.
Uncalled for, and major trolling. No where did he say that he wanted everything in the CM for free. Absolutely no reason to say this, your logic, if not trolling, makes no sense whatsoever. Every time a complaint comes on you seem to be on here saying in the most insulting way possible why the OP is wrong. Find something new to do with your free time.

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MrJurgens
06.17.2013 , 03:06 PM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by KorathTheCool View Post
Uncalled for, and major trolling. No where did he say that he wanted everything in the CM for free. Absolutely no reason to say this, your logic, if not trolling, makes no sense whatsoever. Every time a complaint comes on you seem to be on here saying in the most insulting way possible why the OP is wrong. Find something new to do with your free time.
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Andryah
06.17.2013 , 03:16 PM | #27
Quote: Originally Posted by curtkram View Post
isn't that what you said just before f2p was announced, and scorpianne (if memory serves, which it sometimes doesn't) had all of those population spreadsheets from torstatus.net speculation, and the rest of us knew the servers were dead, but even back then you would defend to the death?

i guess here are some vague examples to start with. other people were trying to explain how their servers were dieing, and you pointing out how your server was still quite strong.

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...63&postcount=2

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...08&postcount=7

http://www.swtor.com/community/showp...54&postcount=2

you've always believed bioware knew what they were doing. you've always believed they wouldn't let down the loyal players. you refused to consider the alternative then, which was that servers were rapidly dieing. no matter what i say now, no matter what anyone says, you will still believe that.

except for here, where you said:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=505287
What is your point? That the game is not doing fine? Or that it was not doing fine a year ago? Or that players know better then the developer what is best for the long term health of the game? Or what?

Interestingly enough... the game is here and doing fine loooooonnng after all the naysayers pronounced it dead way back when.

Fact is, Bioware has adapted to the changing business in the genre and has moved the game onto a successful track as a flexible access MMO.

And, for the record, I still don't like F2P components in games. However, I have also said that I accept that this IS the way the entire market is moving. I'm not leaving the genre, just because my preferences are not met. I am more then willing to play the game for as long as enjoy it. I am of course a subscriber.
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Andryah
06.17.2013 , 03:18 PM | #28
Quote: Originally Posted by KorathTheCool View Post
They can, he's arguing they shouldn't.
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No where did he say that he wanted everything in the CM for free. .
O'really?

He does not like and does not want the CM, but he's not a subscriber that is anti-CM?? He does not want the old model where subscriber gets everything? Really? LOL yeah... not a keester-hurt subscriber at all, even though everything he says aligns with the anti-CM-give_the_subscriber_all_content meme in the forum.
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zzoorrzz
06.17.2013 , 03:23 PM | #29
I agree, but I don't believe they will change anything anytime soon. As long as people are stupid enough to buy those ridiculous random packs, nothing will change. I still have some faith in players left though, so I think this won't last forever.

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Lord_Karsk
06.17.2013 , 03:26 PM | #30
Really sad part is, there are people on this forum that actually belive the money from Cartel shop goes back into the game.Most profits of SWTOR goes to pay for new titles at other studios and the circle continue.Also Disney take 30%
What can we do whwen we see now that all updates are only shop updates.Subscribers have to pay for everything aswell thats the sad part aswell.They dont care about subscribers, wont suprise me if we soon have to pay for minor patches aswell, like 2.4 etc.I mean subscribers had to pay for makeb, we even have to pay real money to change our hair etc.That is just pure greed.
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