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Advance Class Change: Good or Bad idea?

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Advance Class Change: Good or Bad idea?

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 08:32 PM | #351
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowHvo View Post
I don't agree with the OP! And pretty much agrees with everyone else! But I have an urgent lust to answer this question! In the Imperial storylines you sometimes hear people call you names like "Alien" if you're not either Human or Pureblood!

Besides that, this thread actually amuses me!
Which part do you not agree with?
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Hizoka
06.16.2013 , 08:52 PM | #352
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Which part do you not agree with?
my guess the fact you feel you deserve to have a max level of a class you have never played because of your sense of enttlement.

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 09:01 PM | #353
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
my guess the fact you feel you deserve to have a max level of a class you have never played because of your sense of enttlement.
If thats what you get from my posts, thats fine, its not true, but you are entitled to think how you please.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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ShadowHvo
06.16.2013 , 09:04 PM | #354
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Which part do you not agree with?
The way you keep ignoring everything which you don't like to hear

Aswell as the points of others, the Advanced classes are basicly your class. Bioware directly points out that your choice is final and can not be redone. So there is no question in it really. I believe another in this thread have pointed this out several times aswell, but there is no real difference from chosing your class in level 0 or 10.

I prefer to see it this way:

I'm this happy Sith inqusitor upon Korriban which likes to do stuff and impress my (upcomming!) master. In time, I will get my master and I will recieve some advanced training from he/she. And as for me, dear dear Zash chose to train me to become her own little Assassin!

Now.. if I'm trained to become something, how would I just completly forget how to use a Double Bladed Lightsaber and go vanish from everyones eyes with Force Cloak. In orden to learn to throw a Force Storm all of a sudden on the ground without any training whatso ever? Did my super-duper-awesome-Assassin just read a book and suddenly forgot everything he learned beforehand?

Besides that, I just like your replies. Full of ignorance and lovely sign of you want to change your Advanced Class very badly.

In truth? I wouldn't care much if we could change, hell.. I even have a Sniper which I would like to be an Operative. But I made my choice, and I will continue to live with it. Since I can't be arsed to remake her

BUT! It doesn't make any sense lorewise, espically not when it comes to Sith and Jedi. Not that it makes any sense for a Trooper or Bounty Hunter. But why would a awesome medic commando suddenly become a tankin' vanguard on the battlefield all of a sudden? Hell, if you're good at something, then you're doin' it. Not something completetly different.
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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 09:10 PM | #355
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowHvo View Post
The way you keep ignoring everything which you don't like to hear

Aswell as the points of others, the Advanced classes are basicly your class. Bioware directly points out that your choice is final and can not be redone. So there is no question in it really. I believe another in this thread have pointed this out several times aswell, but there is no real difference from chosing your class in level 0 or 10.

I prefer to see it this way:

I'm this happy Sith inqusitor upon Korriban which likes to do stuff and impress my (upcomming!) master. In time, I will get my master and I will recieve some advanced training from he/she. And as for me, dear dear Zash chose to train me to become her own little Assassin!

Now.. if I'm trained to become something, how would I just completly forget how to use a Double Bladed Lightsaber and go vanish from everyones eyes with Force Cloak. In orden to learn to throw a Force Storm all of a sudden on the ground without any training whatso ever? Did my super-duper-awesome-Assassin just read a book and suddenly forgot everything he learned beforehand?

Besides that, I just like your replies. Full of ignorance and lovely sign of you want to change your Advanced Class very badly.

In truth? I wouldn't care much if we could change, hell.. I even have a Sniper which I would like to be an Operative. But I made my choice, and I will continue to live with it. Since I can't be arsed to remake her

BUT! It doesn't make any sense lorewise, espically not when it comes to Sith and Jedi. Not that it makes any sense for a Trooper or Bounty Hunter. But why would a awesome medic commando suddenly become a tankin' vanguard on the battlefield all of a sudden? Hell, if you're good at something, then you're doin' it. Not something completetly different.
Well put. Of course, someone will just be here shortly with some excuse as to why this is irrelevant and makes no difference because it does not support his desire for a class change.

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ShadowHvo
06.16.2013 , 09:14 PM | #356
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Well put. Of course, someone will just be here shortly with some excuse as to why this is irrelevant and makes no difference because it does not support his desire for a class change.
Another usual day on the forums!
Oh, and thank you!
Warlord Dreak - Sith Assassin - Deception

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 09:19 PM | #357
Quote: Originally Posted by ShadowHvo View Post
The way you keep ignoring everything which you don't like to hear

Aswell as the points of others, the Advanced classes are basicly your class. Bioware directly points out that your choice is final and can not be redone. So there is no question in it really. I believe another in this thread have pointed this out several times aswell, but there is no real difference from chosing your class in level 0 or 10.

I prefer to see it this way:

I'm this happy Sith inqusitor upon Korriban which likes to do stuff and impress my (upcomming!) master. In time, I will get my master and I will recieve some advanced training from he/she. And as for me, dear dear Zash chose to train me to become her own little Assassin!

Now.. if I'm trained to become something, how would I just completly forget how to use a Double Bladed Lightsaber and go vanish from everyones eyes with Force Cloak. In orden to learn to throw a Force Storm all of a sudden on the ground without any training whatso ever? Did my super-duper-awesome-Assassin just read a book and suddenly forgot everything he learned beforehand?

Besides that, I just like your replies. Full of ignorance and lovely sign of you want to change your Advanced Class very badly.

In truth? I wouldn't care much if we could change, hell.. I even have a Sniper which I would like to be an Operative. But I made my choice, and I will continue to live with it. Since I can't be arsed to remake her

BUT! It doesn't make any sense lorewise, espically not when it comes to Sith and Jedi. Not that it makes any sense for a Trooper or Bounty Hunter. But why would a awesome medic commando suddenly become a tankin' vanguard on the battlefield all of a sudden? Hell, if you're good at something, then you're doin' it. Not something completetly different.
I try to respond to everything, somethings dont require a reply as it would just lead to something that has always been said.

Yes BW has said your advance class is fundamentally your class, I live with that, I play my classes, if I dont like the Ac, I reroll. I also believe that people are twisting AC changes and class changes. Those are 2 separate things.

Zash never trained you to become an assassin, you picked your AC at the fleet, from the same trainer that teaches the other AC in your class as well.

Thats the beauty of games, you can completely unlearn something for something else, thats like saying "how can I just completely unlearn this crew skill for another"? Its a shortcut in games, a quick unlearn for something else.

Sorry you find my posts ignorant, I try to be fair, I just find most of the reasons very mediocre, if someone points out something that I agree with I say it, if I dont agree with it, I reply with my opinion on the matter. As I would like to see some AC changes, I wont be disappointed if it doesnt happen, if BW feels that it would have a negative impact on the game then I disagree with it.

Others have also said they would use this feature even if they do not agree with it. That is a point I brought up earlier, I dont think it would cost them many if any subs with this feature.

Because they learn both from the same trainer, the trainer teaches them how to be a trooper, then how to be the Advance class of the trooper, the trainer should also be allowed to teach you the other advance class because its still comes from a trooper.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 09:30 PM | #358
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Yes BW has said your advance class is fundamentally your class, I live with that, I play my classes, if I dont like the Ac, I reroll. I also believe that people are twisting AC changes and class changes. Those are 2 separate things.
If your advance class is FUNDAMENTALLY YOUR CLASS, something that you admit that BW has said and that you live with that distinction, then please explain how changing something that is FUNDAMENTALLY YOUR CLASS is not changing your CLASS?

Just so there is no confusion, fundamentally is defined as :

1. in a way that affects the basis or essentials
2. (sentence modifier) in essence; at heart

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ShadowHvo
06.16.2013 , 09:31 PM | #359
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Zash never trained you to become an assassin, you picked your AC at the fleet, from the same trainer that teaches the other AC in your class as well.

Thats the beauty of games, you can completely unlearn something for something else, thats like saying "how can I just completely unlearn this crew skill for another"? Its a shortcut in games, a quick unlearn for something else.
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Ofcourse I chose my own advanced class! Wouldn't be fun having a NPC controlling my character now would it
I simply wrote it as it would be IC (In Character) since I'm a lovely Roleplayer!

And as to the thing with the crewskills! In real life, I can go from working sparetime at McDonalds to go working sparetime at Wall-Mart. But I doubt the the Military would allow me to change from an advanced trained Pilot to an advanced trained Field commander on a single day.

To put that in Lorewise. I don't think the Empire would care if I worked at an Artifice store for 2 months, and then changed to do some Biochem afterwards. But I highly doubt that Marr would think good of me if I throwed all of my training on the ground in orden to begin on something completetly different. He'll probably throw my arse out of Makeb
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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 09:33 PM | #360
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
If your advance class is FUNDAMENTALLY YOUR CLASS, something that you admit that BW has said and that you live with that distinction, then please explain how changing something that is FUNDAMENTALLY YOUR CLASS is not changing your CLASS?
I admit they said that, I didnt say I agree with it, but I cant change that, I can only express why I think they should.
Do you really want me to explain why I think advance class is different then class change again?
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.