ETA on Advanced Class change?

They are NOT fundamentally different. They share more in common with one another than they have differences. The Dev's have said a lot of stuff that isn't true and doesn't make sense so trotting out the old "the dev's said" isn't really a good argument.

I have a Commando and a Powertech. The gearing is nearly identical, the differences in abilities (aside from naming) are almost non-existent as anyone who has played both can attest. There are many more abilities in common than different. There is little difference in style of play between the two.

Let's not forget that both share a tree. For Troopers, Assault Specialist is the same for both Vanguard and Commando.

AC change wouldn't give anyone anything "for free". They have already leveled up that class, they are only getting access to two more spec's. It has nothing to do with "earned". To be quite honest, AC's could be removed from the game entirely and each class given access to 5 spec trees and there would be absolutely no detrimental effect to the game whatsoever. People interested in the 8 different class story lines would still level up 8 characters to experience it, so replay would still be intact.

The devs have stated that the different AC's are fundamentally DIFFERENT CLASSES, so unless you are going to tell me that you know better than the devs, changing AC's is CHANGING CLASSES, not something as simple as a spec change.

Last time I checked, vanguard and commando were two separate and distinct styles of play. Did you level that character as a vanguard? if so, then you did not earn the right to play that character as a commando, therefore allowing you to switch classes would be giving you that commando for FREE, or without having earned it.

Aurozia: Will there be a dual specialization system in the future? Will there be a possibility of changing advance classes as well?

Daniel Erickson: We have no plans for switching advanced classes - which we see as fundamentally different class designs- but dual spec is in the works and coming soon.

You seem to be stuck on this as I have indicated.

They have not stated in clear concise terms that they are different classes (though you may have said that in the past I don't think your saying that here, I do think others have though). The clearest comment I could find on this is as follows...



Community Q&A: Feb 10th 2012

...which we see as fundamentally different class designs. Did he mean designs within the class? Did he mean that they see them as individual classes? If they do, why not just say that?

....which we see as different classes. ....would that not have made it clear? By adding the words "fundamental" and "designs" they make it sound like they view them as being SIMILAR to classes but not outright...different enough to not be called classes, but similar to classes enough to not encourage AC switching.

Not to mention we should look at the source...DE....how many times was he wrong? How many times did he misspeak, give the wrong information, exaggerate or simply assume things that turned out to be incorrect? I think the last time someone counted, just before he left, he had made 6 statements that were incorrect or not entirely valid with respect to the game.

To my knowledge I can find nothing else that clearly states the AC is a class. In fact, on 4 different occasions when they spoke of advanced classes in the last year nothing is said about ACs being a distinct class. However, on more than one occasion they called it a "role" or "path".

So one can say they INFER that it is a class, but it is definitely open to interpretation...not to mention that they originally spoke of the AC directly as a "role", not a class, and explained it as a play option.

It seems they used the "similar to a class" excuse to calm down the fire after removing the ability to switch.

But this is really moot. Whether or not it is a class has NOTHING to do with whether or not it is or should be allowed. They will either allow it or not, class or not, it makes little difference.

I see it as a role...and a class, just like your spec...its a role and a class. And yes, specs can be considered classes and roles. They are distinct enough.

And none of that matters. Specs are switched. AC could be allowed to be changed, maybe not swapped like specs, but certainly the option to change a bad choice early on.

so i guess you do not understand what the meaning of fundamental is do you...

Bioware is the one who said "fundamentally different" so i guess you know their game better then them... Are you really so entitled you think because you are too blind to see them as different you know more about the game then the people ho built it???

Sorry but different classes are different you are asking for a free max level toon you have never played. That is Pay to win plain and simple you just lack the ability to comprehend that.

I do. I actually play the game and can think without parroting some party line. If they were different, it would be readily apparent to anyone who has played them both. Since I have played them both and have not seen any fundamental difference between AC's beyond the same fundamental differences I see between two spec's within the same AC, I obviously know more than they do.

Since I have already played my Commando to max level, it would be no more free than my current ability to respec inside of the Commando AC is. You obviously have no idea what "pay to win" really means since you keep using it so wrong. Since your education is lacking, I'll refresh your memory...P2W is when you have to pay real cash in order to get an advantage. Since changing spec isn't an advantage, and changing AC isn't an advantage neither is P2W.

Before you try to insult someone about comprehension, you should comprehend yourself. It is obvious that your arguments exist only because you feel that game play should be arbitrarily limited for no reason other than your say so. What a tired, sad little world you must live in.

They are NOT fundamentally different. They share more in common with one another than they have differences. The Dev's have said a lot of stuff that isn't true and doesn't make sense so trotting out the old "the dev's said" isn't really a good argument.

I have a Commando and a Powertech. The gearing is nearly identical, the differences in abilities (aside from naming) are almost non-existent as anyone who has played both can attest. There are many more abilities in common than different. There is little difference in style of play between the two.

Let's not forget that both share a tree. For Troopers, Assault Specialist is the same for both Vanguard and Commando.

AC change wouldn't give anyone anything "for free". They have already leveled up that class, they are only getting access to two more spec's. It has nothing to do with "earned". To be quite honest, AC's could be removed from the game entirely and each class given access to 5 spec trees and there would be absolutely no detrimental effect to the game whatsoever. People interested in the 8 different class story lines would still level up 8 characters to experience it, so replay would still be intact.

One could also ask "would AC change reduce the need to reroll, and how would that effect investment in the game?". Would players play less, or create less characters because the need to reroll is diminished? Or is it more common that players either delete old toons with bad ACs or leave them alone/use them as crafting bots, in which case an AC switch would have little impact?

I do. I actually play the game and can think without parroting some party line. If they were different, it would be readily apparent to anyone who has played them both. Since I have played them both and have not seen any fundamental difference between AC's beyond the same fundamental differences I see between two spec's within the same AC, I obviously know more than they do.

Since I have already played my Commando to max level, it would be no more free than my current ability to respec inside of the Commando AC is. You obviously have no idea what "pay to win" really means since you keep using it so wrong. Since your education is lacking, I'll refresh your memory...P2W is when you have to pay real cash in order to get an advantage. Since changing spec isn't an advantage, and changing AC isn't an advantage neither is P2W.

Before you try to insult someone about comprehension, you should comprehend yourself. It is obvious that your arguments exist only because you feel that game play should be arbitrarily limited for no reason other than your say so. What a tired, sad little world you must live in.