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Advance Class Change: Good or Bad idea?

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Advance Class Change: Good or Bad idea?

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 01:53 PM | #331
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I've said it before. We already HAVE a restriction on the number of times you can change your class. That number is ZERO. Yet here you are, along with others trying to get that restrictions changed or lifted entirely.

Why in the world would you think that even a one time CLASS CHANGE (which is what you want, and would satisfy you, FOR NOW, at least until you decided that once was not enough) would be enough and that people would actually go "I want to change my class again, but there's a restriction in place, so I can't Oh well. " They WOULDN'T. They (and likely you) would be right back here clamoring for looser restrictions or no restrictions at all. You KNOW that to be true, even if you choose to lie to yourself and others.

The current restrictions are not stopping people from crying to be able to change their class "just one time", and neither will restricting it to one time only. The only difference would be instead of "just one time" it would be "just one MORE time".
I cant promise that wont happen, and you cant promise that will happen.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 02:06 PM | #332
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Go read back through all these forums, people who are against it have stated that a one time change would be fine, even people who are against it said theyd take advantage of it.
Really? Here's some PROOF.

Quote: Originally Posted by Alec_Fortescue View Post
I wish it was something one could pay for in credits or associated with legacy. There was very little updates to legacy since it appeared. I'd not want to be forced to pay everytime because I'd switch into marauder for raiding or pvp (combat efficiency) and afterwards for PvE, visuals and wandering around fleet I'd prefer to have a look of a Juggernaut. :/
Quote: Originally Posted by Journeyer View Post
I think they should allow free, unlimited AC changes via a trainer "boss." If you can sufficiently demonstrate competence in your current advanced class and defeat the trainer, you get to respec.

Yea, yea, I know. Then none of the people who want respec would be able to have it... But it was just a thought
Quote: Originally Posted by Superman_AZ View Post

People wanted Free to Play "Just because" - they got it
People wanted Modable gear at low levels "Just because" - they got it
People wanted speeders at lvl 10 instead of lvl 25 "Just because" - they got it

The thing to note is most games are designed with Casual players in mind. The tougher you make it, the less likely most casuals are to play these days. Hence the Cartel Market. You can BUY just about anything you want for your game, and you keep playing because now you have incentive.

In World of Warcraft, they asked for Dual Spec for years. And when they finally got it, it was 1000gold. They asked for it to be reduced. It became 10 gold. They asked for a level reduction, it went from 40 to 30 (or 50 to 40, been a LONG time ago). Same with mounts. Went from lvl 40 to lvl 20 and went from 1k gold to 7 gold.

People ask because they want choices. They love options that improve THEIR quality of life in the game. It would have zero impact on anyone else, but would make their game that much better. Same thing goes for player housing. I couldn't care less if we ever got it, but I am not going to boycott it simply because someone else wants a feature that I think is beyond stupid. Why have a feature in an Adventure game that encourages you to ignore the Adventure and stay inside decorating? The SIMS has that covered. But, if they want it, they should be allowed to ask for it.

People like options. They like to play multiple classes and would love to switch between Powertech and Merc without having to log out and log back in. If RIFT can do it, and do it well, there is no reason why this could not be a 350K cred / 2k CC unlock PER character (not Legacy). People claim it would damage the game, but I don't see having a basic choice available in other MMOs as being detrimental.
Quote: Originally Posted by Anzel View Post
Switching AC's should be free to all subscribers. Just like resetting skill points. They are my characters and it's nobody's business how I play them.
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
The more you talk about mice and cookies, the sillier your arguments look.

Why shouldn't players be able to change their AC as often as they like? I can respec as much as I want and it fundamentally changes my character when I do. I have no problems bouncing between Gunnery DPS and Combat Medic healing, I have to have different sets of gear for the two and the mechanics of each are very different.

Your insistence that the status quo is just fine still doesn't have merit. You have not one said why this would be bad, just your incessant insistence that zero is what it is and what it should only be because you lost your cookie to a mouse.

There is a huge difference between class changes and advanced class changes. AC's are surprisingly similar to each other in most circumstances whereas classes are different enough to merit allowing changing between the two instead of forcing people to grind through class story content they have already done.
Quote: Originally Posted by branmakmuffin View Post
If it were available, it would cost 100s of CCs. Not many people are gonna swap ACs willy-nilly. And even if they did, so what? It's their CC.

Do you still want to try to claim that most people would be happy with a one time only change?

It should be pretty obvious that when ti comes to allowing CLASS CHANGES, even one time would be too many, and yet still not enough.

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 02:10 PM | #333
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
I cant promise that wont happen, and you cant promise that will happen.
You may be living in your own little fantasy world, but not even you can be THAT dumb as to actually believe that I'm wrong about that.

Let's look at this logically.

You are aware of the current restriction on the number of times you can CHANGE YOUR CLASS. You were made aware of this restriction many times and even had to confirm multiple times that you were aware of the restriction. Did that restriction, to which you agreed, stop you from coming here to the forums and begging for a chance to CHANGE YOUR CLASS?

If an already existing restriction did not stop you or countless others from trying to get that restriction lifted, what would make you think any other restriction would do so?

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 02:20 PM | #334
Quote:
but not even you can be THAT dumb as to actually believe that I'm wrong about that.


This argument is over, come back when your ready to talk instead of insult.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 02:23 PM | #335
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Really? Here's some PROOF.














Do you still want to try to claim that most people would be happy with a one time only change?

It should be pretty obvious that when ti comes to allowing CLASS CHANGES, even one time would be too many, and yet still not enough.
Its a balance point. The point is try to make both sides happy, not one side.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 02:38 PM | #336
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Its a balance point. The point is try to make both sides happy, not one side.
You CANNOT make both sides happy. Have you not realized that yet? Are you still so focused on trying to get that new class for free that you dismiss every piece of evidence and proof that does not support your desire for a class change?

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 02:39 PM | #337
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
This argument is over, come back when your ready to talk instead of insult.
This argument is not over because you are still here whining for something YOU AGREED COULD NEVER HAPPEN.

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Rosiett
06.16.2013 , 03:12 PM | #338
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
in both ACs, they use the force, if one wants to use the force to cast spells and heal, then decides to drop that and master the art of stealth, its the same thing its all within the base class.
It's true that someone could master one set of skills, and then change their mind and begin training another. So, would you be willing, along with your change of AC, to have your character dropped back to level 10, the level up to which they are trained in the new skill set, and begin training from there? No? You'd rather just change your mind and be a master at something in which you'd never trained? If you are willing to be dropped back to level 10 to make the change, then I see your point.

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 03:34 PM | #339
Quote: Originally Posted by Rosiett View Post
It's true that someone could master one set of skills, and then change their mind and begin training another. So, would you be willing, along with your change of AC, to have your character dropped back to level 10, the level up to which they are trained in the new skill set, and begin training from there? No? You'd rather just change your mind and be a master at something in which you'd never trained? If you are willing to be dropped back to level 10 to make the change, then I see your point.
If I get to keep all my companions, companion affections, crew skills, alignment, gear, then sure. But I doubt they'll do it, would take a lot more work to implement something like that.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
Peace will win and fear will lose.

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 04:27 PM | #340
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
If I get to keep all my companions, companion affections, crew skills, alignment, gear, then sure. But I doubt they'll do it, would take a lot more work to implement something like that.
They could make it so the character reverts to level 10, planetary side quests are reset. They could not reset the story line quests as that would have an affect on companions, etc.

So you have a 55 vanguard today. You pay 3000 CC's (just picking a number high enough to satisfy those that want it to be expensive) to change your class. Now you are level 10. You still have your companions, although they will need new gear, as will your character, because they are now level 10 and all of their stats have been scaled back to level 10.

You will have to level up again, but you do not have to worry about doing the same story content. You can do the planetary quests again, do space missions, heroics, PVP, etc.