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Advance Class Change: Good or Bad idea?

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Advance Class Change: Good or Bad idea?

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 10:28 AM | #321
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Aha! You are right! there are 2 ADVANCE classes that meet my criteria, not another CLASS. You dismiss the fact that Commandos and Vanguard arent there own class, they are advance classes. This whole topic is about ADVANCE CLASS changing, not CLASS CHANGING, 2 different things. Slice it however you want, it doesnt change the fact that they are both troopers.
If they were in any way there own class, they wouldnt share just about everything in the game.
No. I cannot dismiss a NON-FACT. The fact is that vanguard and commando are DIFFERENT CLASSES. This has been confirmed by the devs who have stated that AC's are DIFFERENT CLASSES. You are the one dismissing facts because the facts do not support your desire to change your CLASS.

Have the devs stated the AC's are DIFFERENT CLASSES? Have the devs ever said anything to contradict that since they made that statement? (saying that ac changes will likely happen does not contradict that they are different classes, btw)

Would creating 16 different class stories have added substantially to the development cost? Was it cheaper to create 8 story lines, and have the actual CLASS selection occur at level 10, with multiple warnings that the choice is PERMANENT and multiple confirmations that the player understands that the choice is PERMANENT and that they are making the choice they want to make?

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 10:30 AM | #322
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
People buy stuff all the time and have a problem with it.
You losing this argument by using irrelevant examples.
You forget the fact that this is a game, nothing is permanent, if can all be changed.
I'm giving you example after example meeting the criteria you use to justify your desire for a CHANGE OF CLASS and you dismiss them again and again (despite the fact that use the same criteria you use to justify your desire for a CLASS CHANGE) because my examples do not support your desire for a CLASS CHANGE.

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 10:31 AM | #323
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
No. I cannot dismiss a NON-FACT. The fact is that vanguard and commando are DIFFERENT CLASSES. This has been confirmed by the devs who have stated that AC's are DIFFERENT CLASSES. You are the one dismissing facts because the facts do not support your desire to change your CLASS.

Have the devs stated the AC's are DIFFERENT CLASSES? Have the devs ever said anything to contradict that since they made that statement? (saying that ac changes will likely happen does not contradict that they are different classes, btw)

Would creating 16 different class stories have added substantially to the development cost? Was it cheaper to create 8 story lines, and have the actual CLASS selection occur at level 10, with multiple warnings that the choice is PERMANENT and multiple confirmations that the player understands that the choice is PERMANENT and that they are making the choice they want to make?
There was no need to make 16 story lines because 2 classes are the same class, they share everything except their own unique abilities but share the generic ones, they share the same story, they share companions, they share trainers, they share same main stat, why? Because they are the same BASE CLASS, in any other game this would be an ingame change and cost ingame currency, this game didnt want to do that, FINE, doesnt change the fact that there are 8 classes, 16 ACs, and 2 factions. In this thread, we are talking about switching ACs, get with it.
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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 10:57 AM | #324
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
There was no need to make 16 story lines because 2 classes are the same class, they share everything except their own unique abilities but share the generic ones, they share the same story, they share companions, they share trainers, they share same main stat, why? Because they are the same BASE CLASS, in any other game this would be an ingame change and cost ingame currency, this game didnt want to do that, FINE, doesnt change the fact that there are 8 classes, 16 ACs, and 2 factions. In this thread, we are talking about switching ACs, get with it.
You are completely dismissing the reason there are 8 base classes, as well as the devs own statement that the AC's are DIFFERENT CLASSES because you want to CHANGE YOUR CLASS and will attempt to justify that any way you can, even if it means lying to yourself and others.

In this game you choose your STORY at character creation and your CLASS at level 10. That is why you and every other player are told so many times that the choice is PERMANENT and have to confirm that you understand that the choice is PERMANENT.

I swear the devs could post in this thread and say the same things I have been saying and you would stick your fingers in your ears pretending you didn't hear them, or tell them that they are wrong because you want to change your CLASS and actually admitting that AC's are DIFFERENT classes would stop that.

I await your next cry of "you missed me".

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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 10:59 AM | #325
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
There was no need to make 16 story lines because 2 classes are the same class, they share everything except their own unique abilities but share the generic ones, they share the same story, they share companions, they share trainers, they share same main stat, why? Because they are the same BASE CLASS, in any other game this would be an ingame change and cost ingame currency, this game didnt want to do that, FINE, doesnt change the fact that there are 8 classes, 16 ACs, and 2 factions. In this thread, we are talking about switching ACs, get with it.
Have the devs stated the AC's are DIFFERENT CLASSES? Have the devs ever said anything to contradict that since they made that statement? (saying that ac changes will likely happen does not contradict that they are different classes, btw) '

There are 16 classes in this game.

Juggernaut, marauder, assassin, sorcerer, sniper, operative, mercenary and powertech on the imperial side.

Guardian, sentinel, shadow, sage, gunslinger, scoundrel, commando and vanguard on the republic side.

There are 8 base classes. The base class only determines your story line and which actual CLASSES you can choose.

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Maullum
06.16.2013 , 01:30 PM | #326
I'm okay for a one time change. Let's say I have a sorc went through Balmorra and still can't grasp/dislike the play style. Rather than rerolling, I switch to assassin. Right now I have a Powertech that I dislike immensely on Balmorra, and soon, it will be deleted and rerolled with the same name and look, but be a Merc. It's a good thing. Having the constant ability to change: NO. Having any class who can DPS, Heal and Tank just by visiting the fleet now and then is a bad thing. A very bad thing.
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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 01:39 PM | #327
Quote: Originally Posted by Maullum View Post
I'm okay for a one time change. Let's say I have a sorc went through Balmorra and still can't grasp/dislike the play style. Rather than rerolling, I switch to assassin. Right now I have a Powertech that I dislike immensely on Balmorra, and soon, it will be deleted and rerolled with the same name and look, but be a Merc. It's a good thing. Having the constant ability to change: NO. Having any class who can DPS, Heal and Tank just by visiting the fleet now and then is a bad thing. A very bad thing.
I think a one time change or two time would be fine, hes not wrong though, it could cause for more people to start asking for more, but as of right now, it looks like most people would be ok with a one time deal.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 01:46 PM | #328
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
I think a one time change or two time would be fine, hes not wrong though, it could cause for more people to start asking for more, but as of right now, it looks like most people would be ok with a one time deal.
You want to change your class, and now you're going to claim that most people would be ok with a one time deal?

Have you not been reading these threads and are you ignoring the numbers of posters who do not want any restrictions, who want to be able to change anytime they feel like changing their class?

You really are living in your own little world where the truth does not matter, and everything supports your desire to CHANGE your CLASS, despite the fact that you knew it was a PERMANENT decision and you confirmed that you knew it was a PERMANENT decision.

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PeterTLJr
06.16.2013 , 01:48 PM | #329
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You want to change your class, and now you're going to claim that most people would be ok with a one time deal?

Have you not been reading these threads and are you ignoring the numbers of posters who do not want any restrictions, who want to be able to change anytime they feel like changing their class?

You really are living in your own little world where the truth does not matter, and everything supports your desire to CHANGE your CLASS, despite the fact that you knew it was a PERMANENT decision and you confirmed that you knew it was a PERMANENT decision.
Go read back through all these forums, people who are against it have stated that a one time change would be fine, even people who are against it said theyd take advantage of it.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
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Ratajack
06.16.2013 , 01:51 PM | #330
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
I think a one time change or two time would be fine, hes not wrong though, it could cause for more people to start asking for more, but as of right now, it looks like most people would be ok with a one time deal.
I've said it before. We already HAVE a restriction on the number of times you can change your class. That number is ZERO. Yet here you are, along with others trying to get that restrictions changed or lifted entirely.

Why in the world would you think that even a one time CLASS CHANGE (which is what you want, and would satisfy you, FOR NOW, at least until you decided that once was not enough) would be enough and that people would actually go "I want to change my class again, but there's a restriction in place, so I can't Oh well. " They WOULDN'T. They (and likely you) would be right back here clamoring for looser restrictions or no restrictions at all. You KNOW that to be true, even if you choose to lie to yourself and others.

The current restrictions are not stopping people from crying to be able to change their class "just one time", and neither will restricting it to one time only. The only difference would be instead of "just one time" it would be "just one MORE time".