Dread Guards Nightmare overtuned

Accessibility is for Story Mode and Hard Mode to be honest. Nightmare, in design, was gated towards the elite. Content isn't supposed to be decimated within the first 48 hours of being released. Maybe in Story Mode, but with the absolute hardest content in the game being designed with a very select portion of the population- it should last.

I think 150 attempts is perfectly reasonable for an encounter that should be a part of the hardest tier in the game. Afterall, there are only 5 bosses. Now, if there were 12 or 13 bosses then 150 attempts would be quite a bit as those attempts add up on a per boss basis and content would take forever to clear. However, we only have 5 bosses. If all of them required 100 or so attempts, then that would be true nightmare content. It would be 2-3 weeks before seeing a guild clear through it. That is how its supposed to be. Logging on first wouldn't really matter at this point, since it would only give you an edge of a few attempts.

I personally don't want to see this content nerfed. Adding 1 minute to the enrage would make the fight laughable compared to its former self. Instead of 2 or 3 guilds getting it down, we'd have all the 8 mans just jumping ship and 5/5 clearing NiM content. Like I've said, its not catered towards "accessibility". That is what Story Mode and Hard Mode are for. This content is geared towards the elite... so the fights should match that. You can't say its for the best players and we 1 or 2 shot it. That doesn't mean we're awesome. It just means content is easy.

woot guys the thread did it! It even passed the view count of the wierd people you meet in group finder and it only took just over 3 days!

This thread did what? I still don't see a BW post from the Devs here

The problem with not nerfing this is how the gear tiers work. If more casual guilds than elite guilds can't down this, they'll be locked out from KD gear. If that's the case then the next HM ops need to be balanced for Underworld gear, which will make it even more of a cakewalk for the best guilds (overgeared and overskilled).

So I think this will need to be tuned down at some point, but not immediately. Definitely not until S&V NiM hits at least, that's for sure.

If you can't do dread guards you can skip them. You are missing out on 1 relic (not too different to a 72 relic from the HM version).

Yeah but hardcore progression guilds reckon doing it this way cheapens the encounter as a whole so most won't do it that way

Progression and farm runs can be counted differently I believe.

Fair enough as long as it's just the one fight. But I get the feeling people that like this level of difficulty want it on more than one.

In six years, when the level cap is 90, we'll come back to things like this and solo or duo them.

Nah. When the level cap is 65 we'll be able to 3 man NiM DG.