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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 05:08 PM | #1151
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
What that says to ORIGINAL design should be obvious as by your own admission, their first stance was that AC changes would not happen. I would posit the their first stance is original design.

They have held to their stance that AC 's are DIFFERENT classes since they made that statement before launch. They went to great lengths to add multiple confirmations that your choice of CLASS was PERMANENT and that once you start down a path, forever will it dominate you.

They have since made a single statement about AC changes "likely happening". That statement was made a long time ago, in a galaxy far away. We have heard NOTHING further from the devs, despite numerous lengthy threads, including this 115+ page thread and one on the suggestion forum. I do not know about you, but that absolute silence from the devs regarding what is so obviously a sensitive subject speaks worlds to me.

I do not expect to see class changes until this game is well and truly on the serious downfall, and they have no choice but to try to make it P2W in a last ditch effort to save it.
AC changing isnt P2W, unless they make changing on free will, if they add restrictions, then it should be fine. The statement regarding no ac changing was a lot longer ago then the one stating it will likely happen, so unless something changes, we must go off the newer dev post.
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Ratajack
06.15.2013 , 05:13 PM | #1152
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Depends on the game, I dont believe thats the case in this game, those 3 things are what separate ACs, but aside from that there isnt any difference between the ACs in the base class.
Once again, you hide your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears in an attempt to pretend that you are correct in a vain attempt to justify your desire to CHANGE YOUR CLASS.

Do juggernauts and vanguards both wear heavy armor? Do vanguards and juggernauts both DPS and tank? DO they both need to be in melee range? Do they both have taunts? Those two classes are much more similar in their play style than a vanguard and commando will EVER be. Yet I cannot change from a vanguard to a juggernaut, nor should I be able to make that change, just as a player should not be able to change his CLASS from vanguard to commando. A CLASS CHANGE is a a CLASS CHANGE ans should not happen.

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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 05:15 PM | #1153
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Once again, you hide your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears in an attempt to pretend that you are correct in a vain attempt to justify your desire to CHANGE YOUR CLASS.

Do juggernauts and vanguards both wear heavy armor? Do vanguards and juggernauts both DPS and tank? DO they both need to be in melee range? Do they both have taunts? Those two classes are much more similar in their play style than a vanguard and commando will EVER be. Yet I cannot change from a vanguard to a juggernaut, nor should I be able to make that change, just as a player should not be able to change his CLASS from vanguard to commando. A CLASS CHANGE is a a CLASS CHANGE ans should not happen.
But its a lot more likely to see a trooper who chooses vanguard train different and become a commando, then all the sudden become a sith lord and wield a lightsaber. You have to look at this situation from all aspects, not just gameplay.
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Ratajack
06.15.2013 , 05:21 PM | #1154
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
AC changing isnt P2W, unless they make changing on free will, if they add restrictions, then it should be fine. The statement regarding no ac changing was a lot longer ago then the one stating it will likely happen, so unless something changes, we must go off the newer dev post.
I would go off the fact that we have heard NOTHING since, not one PEEP, or even a hint of whisper.

You yourself have already admitted that there are those who will find it easier leveling as one class, but find the other class more powerful at end game. How would it not be P2W to let someone level as the more powerful leveling class and then change class, to a class they have never played before, that happens to be more powerful for the end game.

How is it not P2W to allow someone to level as a marauder smash monkey because that is easier than even juggernaut DPS then allow them to change class at end game so they can tank for their guild?

I am not paying for a cosmetic change. I am paying for a fundamentally different class, one that has different armor requirements, different weapons, different play styles, and more differences, solely so that I can the easier route and still fill the role of tank my guild wants me to fill.

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Ratajack
06.15.2013 , 05:28 PM | #1155
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
But its a lot more likely to see a trooper who chooses vanguard train different and become a commando, then all the sudden become a sith lord and wield a lightsaber. You have to look at this situation from all aspects, not just gameplay.
OK. Let's look at assassin and juggernaut. Both of those classes are melee DPS and tank. Both of those classes have taunts. Both of those classes wield light sabers. Both of those classes are sith and start on Korriban.

Even those classes are more similar to each other than vanguard will ever be to commando. Why can I not make the switch from assassin to juggernaut? After all it's just a matter of finding some heavier armor and a different light saber and letting my rage fill me, rather than trying to fight and control my rage. It's far easier to allow oneself to lose himself in his rage than it is to control himself.

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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 05:34 PM | #1156
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OK. Let's look at assassin and juggernaut. Both of those classes are melee DPS and tank. Both of those classes have taunts. Both of those classes wield light sabers. Both of those classes are sith and start on Korriban.

Even those classes are more similar to each other than vanguard will ever be to commando. Why can I not make the switch from assassin to juggernaut? After all it's just a matter of finding some heavier armor and a different light saber and letting my rage fill me, rather than trying to fight and control my rage. It's far easier to allow oneself to lose himself in his rage than it is to control himself.
Switching from trooper to commando - bigger gun, maybe new armor depending on what the sub stats are, different play style, different skill trees.

Switching from assassin to juggernaut- different story, different main stat, different companions, different background, its a sith yes, but 2 different siths, different generic abilities, one is more of a force user, one is more of a fighter (keep in mind, even assassins use willpower), different armor levels.

All I could think of, but you get the picture.
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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 05:35 PM | #1157
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I would go off the fact that we have heard NOTHING since, not one PEEP, or even a hint of whisper.

You yourself have already admitted that there are those who will find it easier leveling as one class, but find the other class more powerful at end game. How would it not be P2W to let someone level as the more powerful leveling class and then change class, to a class they have never played before, that happens to be more powerful for the end game.

How is it not P2W to allow someone to level as a marauder smash monkey because that is easier than even juggernaut DPS then allow them to change class at end game so they can tank for their guild?

I am not paying for a cosmetic change. I am paying for a fundamentally different class, one that has different armor requirements, different weapons, different play styles, and more differences, solely so that I can the easier route and still fill the role of tank my guild wants me to fill.
This is true, I said that, and I still agree with it, however if they put restrictions on AC changing, and theyd like to level as something else because its easier, then use their ac switch to switch end game, thats their decision, none of our business.
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Ratajack
06.15.2013 , 05:36 PM | #1158
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Switching from trooper to commando - bigger gun, maybe new armor depending on what the sub stats are, different play style, different skill trees.

Switching from assassin to juggernaut- different story, different main stat, different companions, different background, its a sith yes, but 2 different siths, different generic abilities, one is more of a force user, one is more of a fighter (keep in mind, even assassins use willpower), different armor levels.

All I could think of, but you get the picture.
So, in a nutshell, whatever argument works for you in your own little deluded world. Gotcha.

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Ratajack
06.15.2013 , 05:37 PM | #1159
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
This is true, I said that, and I still agree with it, however if they put restrictions on AC changing, and theyd like to level as something else because its easier, then use their ac switch to switch end game, thats their decision, none of our business.
But that would still make it P2W, something that almost everyone is in agreement should NEVER happen. Ergo, allowing class changes should not happen.

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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 05:38 PM | #1160
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
But that would still make it P2W, something that almost everyone is in agreement should NEVER happen. Ergo, allowing class changes should not happen.
I agree class changing should not happen, but its not class changing.

AC switching
Class switching
2 different things.
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