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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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branmakmuffin
06.15.2013 , 03:24 PM | #1131
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
it will only POSSIBLY make it more popular for the "entitled" players which are not the people who sub for years on end. MMOs are built around people playing for YEARS putting lots of time in their characters... the second you make the pay pay to win, which is what you want, you instantly kill the lifespan of the game.
AC swap is not P2W, and you endlessly repeating that it is will not make it so.

Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Lol you guys arent even worth talking to anymore, you think whoever doesnt agree with you is an idiot. Good luck in life with that mentality.
That's pretty much the extent of their arguments: you want AC swap? You must be a lazy, entitled idiot.

Quote: Originally Posted by Sinatore View Post
Get over yourself.
Get over yourself, Mr. "Playing a computer game is hard work."

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Grayseven
06.15.2013 , 03:29 PM | #1132
Quote: Originally Posted by Hizoka View Post
you have never proven anything other then you simply want it due to the FACT you are too lazy to level a new toon.

You will never do anything but ignore everything that is presented that does not support your entitled attitude of you deserve everything for nothing.

It has been proven over and over and over again that going from a vanguard to a commando is NO DIFFERENT then going from a vanguard to a marauder. They are completely different classes according to the people who made the game. There is no higher authority then that, you simply lack the ability to understand that you do not get everything for nothing. For once just EARN something.
It has nothing to do with lazy and everything to do with the fact that AC switching is no different than changing spec. It doesn't hurt anyone's game, it doesn't negatively affect one single thing and it has nothing to do with entitlement (god how you narrow minded folk like to throw that term around).

I can prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a huge difference between switching from commando to vanguard over switching from commando to marauder...

CLASS STORY LINE

And these people who made the game who you claim said that they are two different classes...well, isn't it funny that they have been quoted as saying this is something they are looking at, which blows another of your arguments out of the water.

And as far as I'm concerned, I have earned it by leveling one of each class and one of each AC spread across both factions in order to enjoy all 8 story arcs. If I want to take my main out as a Vanguard tank instead of a Commando healer, I shouldn't have to level up a 9th character just to do it.

If I switch from Commando to Vanguard it does absolutely nothing to you. Not one thing. You won't be affected in the least bit. The game for you won't change. And instead of constructive discussion, you and your ilk have resorted to throwing insults and the standard "entitlement" argument.

That tells me you have no real argument, that you have lost and are just opposed to change in general out of some sense that you personally will be irrevocably harmed by letting someone else switch AC's inside their class.
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LordArtemis
06.15.2013 , 03:33 PM | #1133
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
I totally agree, and like I said before, I think most of the people that are still around are here to stay for better or worse, the point is to try making this game more appealing to others as well besides just the dedicated fanbase, this could be a feature that might make the game more popular.
Well, I'm not sure about that. I still see personally that at least the late game AC change may have some strong effects on the game and it's playerbase. I'm not sure it's good for the game.

I am more open to early game AC change (say before level 16) but I'm still not sure about whether or not I will support this change.

Unfortunately the sensible discussion seems to be peppered here and there with folks that love to dance in bonfires. Hopefully at some point the extreme folks on both sides of the argument will move on so we can continue to discuss this in a civil manner.

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Hizoka
06.15.2013 , 03:34 PM | #1134
Quote: Originally Posted by Grayseven View Post
It has nothing to do with lazy and everything to do with the fact that AC switching is no different than changing spec. It doesn't hurt anyone's game, it doesn't negatively affect one single thing and it has nothing to do with entitlement (god how you narrow minded folk like to throw that term around).

I can prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is a huge difference between switching from commando to vanguard over switching from commando to marauder...

CLASS STORY LINE

And these people who made the game who you claim said that they are two different classes...well, isn't it funny that they have been quoted as saying this is something they are looking at, which blows another of your arguments out of the water.

And as far as I'm concerned, I have earned it by leveling one of each class and one of each AC spread across both factions in order to enjoy all 8 story arcs. If I want to take my main out as a Vanguard tank instead of a Commando healer, I shouldn't have to level up a 9th character just to do it.

If I switch from Commando to Vanguard it does absolutely nothing to you. Not one thing. You won't be affected in the least bit. The game for you won't change. And instead of constructive discussion, you and your ilk have resorted to throwing insults and the standard "entitlement" argument.

That tells me you have no real argument, that you have lost and are just opposed to change in general out of some sense that you personally will be irrevocably harmed by letting someone else switch AC's inside their class.
the devs have said the ACs are "fundamentally different classes and we treat them as such"

So they see it as a new class, so does every other intelligent player.

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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 03:41 PM | #1136
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, I'm not sure about that. I still see personally that at least the late game AC change may have some strong effects on the game and it's playerbase. I'm not sure it's good for the game.

I am more open to early game AC change (say before level 16) but I'm still not sure about whether or not I will support this change.

Unfortunately the sensible discussion seems to be peppered here and there with folks that love to dance in bonfires. Hopefully at some point the extreme folks on both sides of the argument will move on so we can continue to discuss this in a civil manner.
I just dont see AC changing being effective around that level, even around 30, I dont see it being very effect. You dont truly start understanding what your characters about until you get that final ability in the tree and start learning your rotation. While leveling may be easy, thats no reason to ignore this subject. Im going to point out right now that what im about to say is just MY OPINION so people dont start flaming me for it, but this game to me seems like it was built to allow AC changing otherwise thered be more differences between the ACs aside from roles, playstyle, skill trees.
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astrobearx
06.15.2013 , 03:42 PM | #1137
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
The trolling going on in this thread is ridiculous.
that is what i been saying back in to 70s pages.

the "debate" has reached a stalemate in silliness

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PeterTLJr
06.15.2013 , 03:43 PM | #1138
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
The trolling going on in this thread is ridiculous.
Just ignore them, if we quit replying to them eventually theyll go away.
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DAMossimo
06.15.2013 , 03:44 PM | #1139
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
I think you misunderstood him. Unless I am mistaken, he is against allowing class changes.
Yes, that is true...however you might actually have to read my post to ascertain that.

I'm outta this thread; it seems to have hit a whole new level of crazy. The simple truth is anyone's opinion is moot, and Bioware will do whatever they planned to do regardless of the childish bickering and pining going on here.

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Roalmo
06.15.2013 , 03:45 PM | #1140
Just say no to Advanced Class Change.