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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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ETA on Advanced Class change?

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PeterTLJr
06.14.2013 , 07:30 PM | #1091
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
You could reduce the level to 10 without removing companions, dark side/light side alignment, inventory items, etc. This would allow the player to keep any items they had that could no longer be obtained in the game, and still allow that player to learn the class as they re-leveled.

I think they would have to do a reset on the planetary quests, but not the class quests as the class quests would affect the companions, etc. This would even have the added benefit of not making the player go through the same story line twice.

They could even give a passive 25% xp boost to help compensate for the loss of the class quest XP while re-leveling. The player could re-level via PVP, space missions, daily heroics, any number of ways.

We have given you a reasonable compromise and you don't even want to consider it? Why? Because you want an instant max level character of a different class?
Maybe, but then again, this feature will be put in to make money. It might make some, but I dont see many people paying to go back down to level 10.
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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 07:30 PM | #1092
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
In all reality, the only one affected is who changes their AC. What if I change my AC and never do end game stuff, I just quest solo, how again does that affect you?
To answer about flashpoints, the risk remains the same when entering, theres always going to be that guy who takes stuff just because, they cant turn down features just because of this reason.
I see the only way it having a major impact is if they dont put restrictions on it.
Well, what about classes that may get ignored because they fall out of favor? There is more than one class in this game that was poorly designed, and the only thing that I think keeps them alive is that players want to improve the experience of playing those classes....the AC change would perhaps give them a way to opt out, and that could cause certain classes to remain underplayed.

Also, wouldnt this reduce the push to reroll? Wouldn't that have a possible effect on retention?

Remember, all of these things are hypotheticals. I'm not saying there are not valid pros to adding the feature...im just saying there are valid cons against.

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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 07:32 PM | #1093
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
Maybe, but then again, this feature will be put in to make money. It might make some, but I dont see many people paying to go back down to level 10.
I think it's fair to contend that a downlevel to 10 option would be less appealing to the masses than allowing it without a demotion...

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PeterTLJr
06.14.2013 , 07:35 PM | #1094
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, what about classes that may get ignored because they fall out of favor? There is more than one class in this game that was poorly designed, and the only thing that I think keeps them alive is that players want to improve the experience of playing those classes....the AC change would perhaps give them a way to opt out, and that could cause certain classes to remain underplayed.

Also, wouldnt this reduce the push to reroll? Wouldn't that have a possible effect on retention?

Remember, all of these things are hypotheticals. I'm not saying there are not valid pros to adding the feature...im just saying there are valid cons against.
If any classes were poorly designed, thats not our fault for wanting out of them, thats BW/EAs fault for not fixing them.
Rerolling...I dont see many people walking around with the same class for different AC, they usually just do the mirror of it on the other side, so it ultimately comes down to, would bioware/ea rather receive money from AC switching, or risk people making alts of the same class in hopes of them putting money into it?
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Ratajack
06.14.2013 , 07:38 PM | #1095
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
I'd also like to point out something, there has been quite a few threads around claiming people want End game Defection, and theres a lot of people on board with that. I personally dont see that being much different then AC changing. You'd be switching from one faction to the other, similar abilities, but not the same, would take time to learn, just like AC switching.
I'm not going to go into whether or not allowing faction change would be a good thing or a bad thing, but you are wrong in your thinking about it taking time to learn the "new class"

The devs refer to them as "mirror classes" for a reason. Each faction has one of each class, with the same skills named differently with different animations. A sage and a sorcerer use the same abilities with different names and different animations. Changing from a sage to a sorcerer would change your animations and the names of your spells, but the effects of those spells would still be the same, the rotations would still be the same and the game play would still be the same. This is unlike switching from a sage to a shadow and losing skills and gaining new skills that have entirely different effects.

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PeterTLJr
06.14.2013 , 07:39 PM | #1096
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
I think it's fair to contend that a downlevel to 10 option would be less appealing to the masses than allowing it without a demotion...
If they added in a feature like this, I dont think they would want it to not be appealing, theyd want people to do it so they could make money, but also make it so it doesnt make some people mad.
In order to appreciate the Light, you must spend time in the Darkness.
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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 07:43 PM | #1097
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
If they added in a feature like this, I dont think they would want it to not be appealing, theyd want people to do it so they could make money, but also make it so it doesnt make some people mad.
...which would be one of the reasons I think, if it is to be allowed, a restriction of level 10 to 15 with a demotion would be the best choice overall. Not as appealing to the pro folks, but not as difficult to swallow for the anti folks.

Naturally there will be diehard folks on both sides that will not agree less than full AC change ability at any level or never allowing the change at all.

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Ratajack
06.14.2013 , 07:43 PM | #1098
Quote: Originally Posted by LordArtemis View Post
Well, I think if there was a reason to allow it, at least one they are considering, it would be similar to the original reason...to correct a mistake in AC choice. You have to first play the AC after all to find out if you are going to like it. No amount of information is likely going to tell you that.
Granted, but I do not think that poster was referring to devs possible change of mind regarding allowing class changes. I think when that poster referred to the devs possibly changing their minds again, he was referencing their stance that the different AC's are different classes. That is what I was referencing. If the devs had changed their minds, as that poster claims, about the different AC's being different classes, then there would be no need for them to change their minds again on that subject.

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LordArtemis
06.14.2013 , 07:44 PM | #1099
Quote: Originally Posted by Ratajack View Post
Granted, but I do not think that poster was referring to devs possible change of mind regarding allowing class changes. I think when that poster referred to the devs possibly changing their minds again, he was referencing their stance that the different AC's are different classes. That is what I was referencing. If the devs had changed their minds, as that poster claims, about the different AC's being different classes, then there would be no need for them to change their minds again on that subject.
Ah, I see. My mistake.

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Hizoka
06.14.2013 , 07:46 PM | #1100
Quote: Originally Posted by PeterTLJr View Post
In all reality, the only one affected is who changes their AC.
you have been told in no less then 6 different posts in 2 different threads that it does not only effect you. This is just another example of you just ignoring what you do not want to hear.